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I agree that a 30 footer can be found for $5000 but it's going to be old and in rough shape and while sailing the Bahamas isn't bluewater sailing, there's still a lot of open water between islands and I don't think I'd want to be out in that open water in a $5000 derelick. Remember, you get what you pay for and your life will depend on the seaworthiness of your boat.
I think your painting with too broad a brush.
I paid under $2000 for a 32' 30 year old boat and it came w/ a kubota 4cyl. w/ less than 200hrs. all bronze through hulls. swageless rigging etc etc. there are alot of boats around and alot of people who want to part w/ them .
As for the distances from fla to the Bahamas, I think bimini is 48 miles away !! an overnight sail.
Also to say an inexpensive neglected boat is not or would not be "sea worthy" is too general a statement .
I could sight dozens of examples of folks sailing far on less and w/ less.
I'm exhausted with the repeated mantra of and from folks about how difficult and dangerous sailing is and how one needs a certain boat and equipment. It just isn't so, please quit perpetuating this mistruth. how many accounts of completey inexperienced sailors making long trips and extended cruises successfully will it take to show sailing is just not that rixky or complex?
And the "classes " and "courses" are SOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooo lame. just read a little and take an interest in it and you will learn /know all that you can without actually doing, after that doing will expose the rest.
I've sailed the hell out of my $2000 dollar boat and she has many more miles left in her.
just do it, do it.
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I think your painting with too broad a brush.
I paid under $2000 for a 32' 30 year old boat and it came w/ a kubota 4cyl. w/ less than 200hrs. all bronze through hulls. swageless rigging etc etc. there are alot of boats around and alot of people who want to part w/ them .
As for the distances from fla to the Bahamas, I think bimini is 48 miles away !! an overnight sail.
Also to say an inexpensive neglected boat is not or would not be "sea worthy" is too general a statement .
I could sight dozens of examples of folks sailing far on less and w/ less.
I'm exhausted with the repeated mantra of and from folks about how difficult and dangerous sailing is and how one needs a certain boat and equipment. It just isn't so, please quit perpetuating this mistruth. how many accounts of completey inexperienced sailors making long trips and extended cruises successfully will it take to show sailing is just not that rixky or complex?
And the "classes " and "courses" are SOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooo lame. just read a little and take an interest in it and you will learn /know all that you can without actually doing, after that doing will expose the rest.
I've sailed the hell out of my $2000 dollar boat and she has many more miles left in her.
just do it, do it.

Haha I appreciate your confidence and go-for it attitude, helps rekindle mine. I do think we'll err on the side of caution though since none of us have any background in this whatsoever. We'll certainly be putting out ads for labor in exchange for experience. I like this because we'll learn both sailing and maintenance.

As far as expected costs, we really don't know. I have been seeing very reasonably priced boats, but many look to need some work. Since we're in Oregon, about as far from the Keys as you can get, we'd rather buy something that needs little to no work at all, that way there's no big surprises when we go down for the trip. I'm not sure how we're going to work out logistics, but we were thinking of buying a boat online in the keys... sight unseen. This is a big risk, but we were thinking of having local forum members maybe help us scope out the ship beforehand. It would save us the drive/flight and thereby a LOT of money.

What other kind of factors go into a trip like this? Any recommended reading for us? Thanks for all the replies!
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Try this forum thread for recommended reading.

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Hi! I think I am just down the road from you, assuming GFU is George Fox University? We live in Lafayette, and spend a lot of time in Newberg. We have a 32 foot Islander, and would enjoy taking you out and showing you the ropes, but unfortunately our boat is in the Puget Sound at the moment, up by Port Townsend, WA. which is not the most convenient. Are you all from the area (be around in the summer) or will you be going home for the summer? We may be bringing the boat back to the Columbia this summer, we haven't decided for sure yet. Either way, perhaps we can work something out. I like your go for it attitude, coupled with a bit of caution and a few years foresight.

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my wife and i are doing what you want to do.We're from Vancouver, Canada. boughta catalina 30 got comfortable with sailing, boat work, and financial responsibility. We sold it and just bought a cruising boat in Florida. In a week we're driving an old van full of our stuff across the states next week.

it will take you a couple years, but don't get discouraged.

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I'm not sure how we're going to work out logistics, but we were thinking of buying a boat online in the keys... sight unseen. This is a big risk, but we were thinking of having local forum members maybe help us scope out the ship beforehand. It would save us the drive/flight and thereby a LOT of money.
That's a BIG RISK! But possible. Yes have someone scope it out for you, and (this is a must), part of the purchase contract should include "contingent on satisfactory survey and seatrial". Once you have it scoped out for you and you decide to make an offer, you get a list of good surveyors here on Sailnet and you hire one to survey the boat. A survey by a qualified surveyor is a must and also required if you want to insure the boat - another must.
A survey will run you, in the neighborhood of $15-25 per foot, depending on the experience and expertise of the surveyor plus the cost of a haul out, maybe a couple hundred more. Again, this is a must if you value your lives.

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Actually the first, not next, thing to get some experience.
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Take a vacation down in Florida or the BVI and sign up for some live aboard ASA courses. You'll get hands on experience from qualified instructors and the 3 of you will learn if you can live together in tight quarters.
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Take a vacation down in Florida or the BVI and sign up for some live aboard ASA courses. You'll get hands on experience from qualified instructors and the 3 of you will learn if you can live together in tight quarters.
That 's excellent advice, however these guys are on a shoestring budget, no offense to them, and I have a very strong feeling that would cost more than they even plan to spend on the boat.

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how many accounts of completey inexperienced sailors making long trips and extended cruises successfully will it take to show sailing is just not that rixky or complex?
Maybe they were just lucky?

...and experience does not guarantee less risk either as in the case of the 4 Americans on hijacked yacht dead off Somalia - CBS News

They used poor judgement in traversing known dangerous waters and unfortunately, paid for it with their lives.

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