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Re: can only tack close reach, can't close-haul

When I see the boom drooping like that, the first thing I think of is that your sail is blown and baggy. My Wayfarer had the same issue with the old sail so I got a new North sail.

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I'm going back out this coming Wednesday and will get detailed images. The above image doesn't provide proper info regarding sails or lake. The boat/lake is currently 250 miles away or I would have posted sooner. I do sail with the reference of a port and starboard Davis wind tels on the shrouds. Again, I will also address specific suggestions in order to improve pointing. The issue of raising the sail properly is an interesting never thought of thought, which I will try to understand and achieve. And as mentioned, the foot is quite baggy, so I feel something is amiss..
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Re: can only tack close reach, can't close-haul

Tell tales on the shrouds are a good start, but I also would install some yarn ones on both sides of your jib.

To go close hauled, you trim your jib all the way and try to keep both the windward and leeward tell tale streaming straight back. If the windward tell tale is fluttering you are pointed too high and if the leeward is fluttering you are pointed too low. If you do this and still are not able to sail upwind, you know that something on your boat needs tweaking and it's not your technique.

To learn more about tell tales, check out this link: WB-Sails Ltd There are some cool animations explaining how to use jib tell tales and how to install them properly.

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Re: older distant images of sail and boat in question.

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These are older images of boat taken month ago, which may provide an idea of the issue of unable to sail any closer into true wind than I should with this DS 2. Once I return to lake, I'll post more detail of rig.

where was this picture taken (if I may ask) ?
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This is in LakeToxaway, North Carolina.
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Re: can only tack close reach, can't close-haul

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And as mentioned, the foot is quite baggy, so I feel something is amiss..
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IIRC, the Daysailers had a pronounced 'shelf foot' in their stock mainsails. (Can anyone confirm that? I was, like, twelve years old.) If that is correct, you won't be able to remove that 'baggyness' with any combination of halyard, downhaul, and outhaul. It's sorta sewn into the foot of the sail. What's more important is the shape of the sail 1/3 the way up. It should be smooth, with max draft around half way back (or just forward of that) and no more than 12" deep.

As others have noted, tho, windward performance is all about getting the jib right. Clew needs to be held down and in; forestay taut, luff well-tensioned; a little bit of twist up high will give you power, but you want to make sure your top telltells are streaming, esp. in light air. Does your DS have adjustable jib cars? Again, it's been many years since I sailed one.

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Re: can only tack close reach, can't close-haul

late late update, but have been away from boat until now. here are several images i took of my rig yesterday. so, if anyone cares to gander at this point and notice anything please let me know. thanks for all the help!
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Re: can only tack close reach, can't close-haul

your mainsheet is not rigged properly. It should go back thuvthe block on the boom and back to the cleat on the back of the centerboard trunk (if I remember right). Your main is not trimmed in enough in any of the pictures. Can't really see if the jib is trimmed properly, but if it is trimmed like the main, it is too loose.
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Re: can only tack close reach, can't close-haul

It looks like your boom vang is missing, and you need to tension the main outhaul. It also looks like you may have some tension on the windward jib sheet, causing the jib clew to curl inboard a bit (it should be absolutely slack). And what kind of a daysailer doesn't have a few empty beer bottles rolling around on the cockpit sole??? (Kids these days)

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Re: can only tack close reach, can't close-haul

In very light wind, the sails should be pretty flat. Think of the wind having to bend around the luff. In very light winds it doesn't have that much energy to take big angles so you have to turn down more. That extra because of the full sail could be a problem. Adding a bit more upwind fullness for power in the light is not for when it is very light. Also you won't point as high in light conditions anyway it kills your speed and stops the apparent wind moving ahead. You have to build "speed" first.
One good way of learning is racing against a buddy boat. Nothing helps to learn the right sail settings more than overtaking your buddy.
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