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BreakAwayFL 03-22-2012 03:32 PM

Wing on Wing
 
Can I sail wing on wing without a whisker pole? If so, is there anything I should know? I may be trying ti on Sunday.

bljones 03-22-2012 03:34 PM

Re: Wing on Wing
 
Absolutely,
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...eDover0071.jpg

remetau 03-22-2012 03:36 PM

Re: Wing on Wing
 
We found that in choppy water or shifting winds the jib will usually collapse and refill sometimes with a lot of force, but yes very doable especially in lighter winds.

jackdale 03-22-2012 03:43 PM

Re: Wing on Wing
 
I have flown a gennaker wing on wing with no pole.
http://www.pbase.com/jackdale/image/48577906.jpg

The pole can help
http://www.pbase.com/jackdale/image/120194329.jpg

You might want to use a preventer, rigged from the boom end to the foredeck and back.

Watch the wind carefully.

If the boat starts to wallow just hold the wheel and wait for it to settle down. Trying to counteract the wallow can exacerbate it.

Gybing the main is a little easier than gybing the foresail.

Get onto a starboard tack (main to port) to maintain some stand-on privileges.

BreakAwayFL 03-22-2012 03:46 PM

Re: Wing on Wing
 
um... what's a preventer?

jameswilson29 03-22-2012 03:55 PM

Re: Wing on Wing
 
A line rigged from the boom to the leeward rail to prevent a jibe.

If you have a boom vang with a snap shackle, you can remove it from its attachment point on the mast and attach it to the leeward toerail or a leeward stanchion base.

If you try to run wing and wing without a pole, you probably want to overtrim the mainsail so it spills wind into the jib and keeps it out.

jackdale 03-22-2012 03:55 PM

Re: Wing on Wing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BreakAwayFL (Post 849244)
um... what's a preventer?

It prevents an accident gybe.

Attach a very lone line to the boom end(with a shackle), feed it to block on the foredeck (outside of the shrouds) and bring it back to a cockpit winch or cleat.. In case of an accident gybe the boom will not go flying over the cockpit. You will be able to ease the main over.

A boom brake would also work well - maybe better as t slows the gybe down.

DO NOT USE YOUR BOOM VANG AS A PREVENTER.

jameswilson29 03-22-2012 03:58 PM

Re: Wing on Wing
 
Why not use (a non-rigid) boom vang as a preventer? Not only does it prevent a jibe, it can continue to function as a boom vang on the rail.

celenoglu 03-22-2012 03:58 PM

Re: Wing on Wing
 
Keep your main to windward and genova to the other side.Be very careful with the movements of the boat with waves.

Faster 03-22-2012 04:00 PM

Re: Wing on Wing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jackdale (Post 849249)
DO NOT USE YOUR BOOM VANG AS A PREVENTER.

Amen....

Sailing wing-on-wing sans pole usually works best by sailing slightly by-the-lee.. this tends to direct the AW in a direction that tends to hold the jib out.

Problem is, of course, that you're almost always on the verge of an accidental gybe.. so there's no relaxing on that score.

Wing on wing is really my least favourite setup.. and why I prefer a manageable symmetrical spinnaker for deep downwind work.


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