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Confusion: spinnaker, gennaker?

We have a rig for a large foresail, but no one to show us how it was rigged or even what it was called.

Rolling the sail out it looks like we have a symmetrical spinnaker. We have a spinnaker pole, but we don't have the mast connection.

It looks like someone added two pole connections to the foredeck, next to the pulpit on either side.

Would it make sense that we have a symmetrical spinnaker with two deck connections?
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Re: Confusion: spinnaker, gennaker?

If you've folded the sail in half vertically and the clews line up, you do have a symmetrical spinnaker (as opposed to a gennaker/cruising chute/Asail) and the presence of a pole would back that up. If it's a proper spinnaker pole it should be the same length as the distance from your mast to your forestay (ie the "J" measurement) As such pole rings near the bow will be of little use.

If the pole is short, or telescoping, then it's not a proper 'spinnaker' pole and may be a whisker pole or a reaching strut depending (reaching strut is short and fixed length). If someone's jury rigged something to be connected to the rings on deck that's an odd situation. Those rings are usually used to store the pole when it's not being used. They are not really built to take any kind of loads as a rule.

If it's a proper pole then at least a fixed ring on the mast will be required, a ring on an adjustable track is preferred but not essential, esp if not racing.

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Re: Confusion: spinnaker, gennaker?

If you insert the pole into one of the rings so that it extends past the bow is there a plce on deck to fasten the inboard end? Forespar andothers make removable deck mounted poles for assymetrical chutes. Photos would help. If you are near Annapolis you might see if a rigger could take a look at the set-up. I'm no expert on rigging assymetriic chutes, as I have ony owned one for a couple weeks or i'd offer to look t it.
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Re: Confusion: spinnaker, gennaker?

Thanks much. I'll get some photos as JSARONSON suggested. And I'll take a look for the rings as FASTER suggested.
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Boz, the deck connections are most likely for the foreguy. Also known as the downhaul. it stabilizes the pole, pulling down against the pole lift.

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Re: Confusion: spinnaker, gennaker?

If you are close to Annapolis send me a PM and I'll come help you figure it out.

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Boz, the deck connections are most likely for the foreguy. Also known as the downhaul. it stabilizes the pole, pulling down against the pole lift.
Just what I was thinking. Although the foreguy (downF**cker as we call it) keeps the CHUTE from pulling the pole up.

I'm guessing there are either two standup blocks real close together on the foredeck or at least two padeyes to clip snatch blocks in. Depending on your boat and size there probably are some bullseyes down both sides of your deck leading to a cam cleat at the front of the cockpit so you can adjust the foreguy.

Are you saying there are NO fittings on the front side of the mast?

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Re: Confusion: spinnaker, gennaker?

you may be able to run the control line from a block on the bow through those fairleads back to the cockpit.
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Re: Confusion: spinnaker, gennaker?

Turns out I had overlooked the tackle on the front of the mast. Odd, I would have walked into court and sworn there was none there.

Let me get some photos and post back. I meant to do that last night but it was miserably hot and we were trying to get underway.
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If you are close to Annapolis send me a PM and I'll come help you figure it out.
Got to get 15 posts to PM. So I'll just write here what I would have PMed.

Thanks for the offer, but we're over on the Potomac right now across from Reagan National.

When I get the photos we can probably sort it out. Finding the tackle on the forward side of the mast probably makes this a lot simpler.


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