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Re: Can I Take It Into The Ocean?

Stay very close to shore in a Hunter. I used to have access to a Hunter 25 and took it in the ocean a few times. The boat just really wasn't built for it. In bigger conditions it doesn't handle well at all, almost to the point of being unsafe. To me this comes down to a couple things: a slow hull, and an underpowered rig. Add big waves and making headway or tacking is very difficult, especially in a decent chop. Running the motor you will usually be ok, but it still depends on the conditions. In the same conditions a J/24 is much more fun and it's raceable.
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Wow, that's really slamming the Hunter25, since a J/24 itself is a pig in any kind of a chop, or anything that's not flat water.
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the OP's title has me humming a song.. "take me to the river"

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Wow, that's really slamming the Hunter25, since a J/24 itself is a pig in any kind of a chop, or anything that's not flat water.
Fair enough. Not saying a J/24 is built for chop, but I just had a really hard time getting enough power out of the Hunter. This was an older Hunter in not the best shape, but the J/24 in very similar conditions did at least an extra 3-4 kts on a beat. Downwind the Hunter did fine. Really good times on that Hunter though...
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Re: Can I Take It Into The Ocean?

In light wind a light boat like the J/24 should be the faster one.
But. In. Any. Kind. Of. Chop.

It's like driving a stick shift in stop-n-go traffic. Low mass and a vertical bow will kill ya every time. Especially if you happen to be heading right into it, of course.

Still, they both get folks on the water and into the sport ayt a much lower price point than a Sabre 38.
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Stay very close to shore in a Hunter. I used to have access to a Hunter 25 and took it in the ocean a few times. The boat just really wasn't built for it. In bigger conditions it doesn't handle well at all, almost to the point of being unsafe. To me this comes down to a couple things: a slow hull, and an underpowered rig. Add big waves and making headway or tacking is very difficult, especially in a decent chop. Running the motor you will usually be ok, but it still depends on the conditions. In the same conditions a J/24 is much more fun and it's raceable.
Sorry but the J-24 is hardly a safer boat than a hunter. They have serious ultimate stability issues, and can downflood THROUGH THE COMPANIONWAY in a knockdown, even if you fix that pesky cockpit locker issue they have.

What kind of Hunter 25, Cherubini or the newer ones? I have a 1982 Cherubini Hunter 25, and although I certainly wouldn't even dream of circumnavigating in it, it is a fairly well built vessel. The deck/hull joint is solid and reinforced with 5/16" bolts along the toe rail. The cabin floor has a "grid" over the keel, spreading the loads properly (many boats of this size do not have a grid at all). The companionway hatch would be a weakness in true ocean conditions (too big, difficult to secure, nowhere near watertight) and is also a weakness in a knockdown but will still keep 99% of the water out.

Instead of worrying about the motor, worry about a proper jiffy reefing system for the main and worry about having a small jib, something about half the size of a working jib, that can be easily put up for when the wind picks up. The boat is not underpowered at all, when the wind gusts at 20 you better have two reefs in the main and a working jib will almost be too much sail.

As far as chop/swells/etc, here's a link to a video of my boat making good progress in some relatively heavy stuff right off Coney Island:
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Re: Can I Take It Into The Ocean?

Have you found one yet? If you do, you may consider strengthening up the rudder post for a little extra insurance. Not sure about the new ones, but the really old ones are hollow. Otherwise the boat is a tank. When I couldn't get over 2-3 kts I may have been expecting unreasonable things of the boat considering the sea state.

Edit: may have video somewhere... The first time I had trouble was due to my inexperience and putting a reef in too early. The second time the wind was 15 and the swells were 6-7 feet with a 6 second period. The other many times I took the boat in the ocean it did just fine.

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Re: Can I Take It Into The Ocean?

Jimmy,

Our Lancer 25 w/ an 8HP outboard has done well in just about any but the worst conditions. As newer sailors (4th season) we sail as often as possible and just completed a 140 mile cruise up the coast. By some's standards, that's hardly leaving the back yard, but on a 25 footer, up to 10 miles out, that's adventure enough. And to counter another post's comment, though the sail is your main engine, the iron genny will serve you well. I can't even begin to tell you how many boats, bigger than mine, that I've seen steaming by on bare poles. Or the tell tale 6 knots with not but but a flogging main. Keep your ear to the radio and an eye on the weather. Never sail in wind that you can't handle, but don't worry about being challenged a little. You won't grow unless you stretch. Other than that . . .Go gett'm Tiger!

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