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lots of good suggestions above.

A proper cleat hitch is the sign of significant intelligence and virility. Throw a flemish coil on the bitter end and you are practically qualified as royalty.

Walk down the dock and see how many cleat hitches are done with reckless nonsensical abandon. Yes, i judge.
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Re: Essential knots?

To answer this question, I just thought about what knots have I actually tied lately while sailing, and got the following:
1) cleat hitch
2) bowline
3) clove hitch
4) square knot
5) shoe laces on new rawhide in Sperrys
6) Once a year maybe an eye splice on a new dock line, but that's not really a knot.

And that's about it for me.

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I almost never use the clove hitch either, the lead never seems right. those who find it useful, could you enlighten me?
Try this. Pretend that you are going to coil a line. Hold the standing part in your left hand, then make a loop. Then make a second loop exactly like the first one but form it behind the first. Then put something in the loops and pull the ends and you have a properly formed clove hitch.
Obviously you don't always have the luxury of being able to slip your hitch over the end of something, but I find myself, as the guy on deck often having to send tools aloft. You can form a clove hitch like this in a couple of seconds and as long as it's been set properly, it works great. Easy and fast to tie and easy and fast to untie.

I only use clove hitches for more permanent jobs when I finish it off by tying the bitter end off to the standing part with a couple of half hitches.

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Re: Essential knots?

All lists above good. I love the reefing knot when you get adept it just looks and feels sharp...releases fast too

Ashley stopper knot is a good one...stays better than a figure eight.
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Re: Essential knots?

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Lots of good suggestions above.

A proper Cleat Hitch is the sign of significant intelligence and virility. Throw a Flemish Coil on the bitter end and you are practically qualified as royalty.

Walk down the dock and see how many Cleat Hitches are done with reckless nonsensical abandon. Yes, I judge.
Flemish Coil?

Maybe it looks snappy to you but it is neither good for the line nor the deck. Much better to properly coil the end. From the excellent Animated Knots by Grog | How to Tie Knots | Fishing, Boating, Climbing, Scouting, Search and Rescue, Household, Decorative, Rope Care,

"Pros and Cons: One of the major disadvantages is that pulling the rope out from the center introduces twists in the rope. The Flemish Flake may be appropriate on a boat's deck where there should be little dirt. It is also used for dock lines when a boat is docked for a short stay, e.g., overnight. For longer periods it is a deplorable way of treating rope: it gets trodden on, it collects dirt, and it stains the dock or deck with a spiral coil pattern of dirt."
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Re: Essential knots?

Only one person mentioned a sheetbend?

For tying two lines together you best be using bend of some sort. I will not tie two lines together using anything else. Two bowlines is a slackers way of getting away not knowing the proper knot. MAYBE for a very short period of time, but left alone and loaded and unloaded they will chafe. Not very seamanlike.

You should know the knots that have been previously mentioned as well as at least two bends and variations thereof.

Oh, and the Ashley stopper is okay, but an easier knot to tie, more compact and flatter on the side of the knot that you want to "stop" is the Stevedore's stopper. Just like a figure 8 but with an extra half twist. Snug it up and it is much better than an Ashley or an 8.

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Re: Essential knots?

Bowline - 75% of what you need
Half hitch - 5%


Cleat hitch and Flemish - every time you dock


After these three essentials, learn how to coil a line so it does not tangle


The coil to hang a line to dry
The coil to let a line (halyard) run free
The figure 8 coil (on a winch)


Is the figure 8 or Ashley stopper DVD considered worthy of

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Re: Essential knots?

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Agree on bowline, figure-8, clove hitch, rolling hitch, cleat hitch, two half-hitches/fisherman's bend.

I don't find the square knot useful--with modern synthetic lines, it slips under load. When made into a shoelace knot, with slippery ends, then it is useful for sail ties and less likely to slip, too. If I really want to tie two lines together so I trust them, it's two bowlines.

I almost never use the clove hitch either, the lead never seems right. those who find it useful, could you enlighten me?
The only time I use the clove hitch is when I center my tiller.


My essentials list:

1) Bowline - essential
2) two half hitches
3) sheet bend for joining two ropes - do not use a reef knot for this!
4) anchor bend
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Re: Essential knots?

I've used a bowline, clove hitch, square knot, and knowing how to tie a line to a cleat for 50 years no problem.

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Re: Essential knots?

Two half turns on the standing part of the courtesy flag halyard (starb'd side)_works well when visiting a foreign port .Unfortunately most vessels visiting Victoria have not considered its value.
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