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Re: Too Much, Too Soon?

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When hove-to, the rudder should be to windward, not leeward. The tiller is to leeward.
Understood - and that's what I meant to write but I'm getting old.

On Friday, I took out a Catalina 22 with the taller mast (now THAT was much more fun - I was hauling a** in that boat with the great winds we had on Pensacola Bay).

Practicing my heave-to over and over again, I tried letting the boat slow way down after letting out the main, then turn the tiller to leeward. From appearances, it seems that even with the main let out there's still enough forward speed to cause the boat to turn into wind when I go leeward with the tiller. I waited and waited and could still see the boat moving at what seems a good pace with the main let "all the way out" (the sail pressing up against (and stopped by) the shrouds).

Literally, the boat would head up so fast that it would tack, causing the main to swing to the other side. Then I'd move the tiller leeward in that direction and the boat would head up again, and when I moved the tiller WITH it, following the main, things would balance out and the boat would become properly hove to. Almost as if it needs that action to slow down enough and bleed off its natural speed even more so that I get the result I'm looking for.

I tried moving the tiller at the same pace & rate simultaneously with the main letting out - no workee. After the main, fast - no workee. After the main, slow - no workee.

Maybe I should start out facing the wind with the main in irons, and then bear away while releasing the mainsheet; and, as the boat goes to a beam reach and the main goes all the way out, move the tiller to leeward. Hmmm...I'll give that a shot and see what happens. Pity I only just thought of it.

I'm wondering if this Catalina 22 configuration (1985) doesn't allow it to slow down enough the first time to prevent the heading-up/tacking motion on the first try.
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Re: Too Much, Too Soon?

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Understood - and that's what I meant to write but I'm getting old.

On Friday, I took out a Catalina 22 with the taller mast (now THAT was much more fun - I was hauling a** in that boat with the great winds we had on Pensacola Bay).............I'm wondering if this Catalina 22 configuration (1985) doesn't allow it to slow down enough the first time to prevent the heading-up/tacking motion on the first try.
I appreciate your enthusiasm, but it sounds like you are chasing your tail. If you follow the instructions I gave earlier, the tack should scrub most boat speed, and the main should be eased SLIGHTLY to Leeward (not "all the way out") Too much, and the Main AND the back winded head sail are taking you downwind! The main needs to be close hauled, and rudder in proper position to head the boat upwind, while the BW head sail takes the boat off the wind. Read about it in a sailing book so you understand the concept of balancing the sails and rudder, or get an instructor to show you (not all boats will heave to by BTW). In any event, I would stop worrying about heaving to for now. Go sailing, learn the boat, get MOB drills down pat, and come back to heaving to after you have some time on the water. Heaving To is handy, but not the most important maneuver, in my opinion.
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Re: Too Much, Too Soon?

man, i dunno, the fast track option seems like a paper chase vs getting a good sailing education.

the sailing classes i took generally were about 4 days each. to get from keel boat to bareboat was 13 days of training with a required amount of sea time in between. honestly i would probably have preferred to have taken it all in one week, but truthfully, getting the time on the water in and, more importantly, out of class, was a huge part of the learning process.

sailing in between the classes was the real test of what was being taught. sailing with no instructor and no eager fellow students, is a different experience than being in class.

lastly, taking the classes on one big boat robs you of the experience of sailing different boats. it's pretty instructive to sail a 24' keelboat with a tiller, then a 32' cruising boat with a wheel, then a larger 41' boat. COB, docking, and close quarter maneuvering are nice to learn in increments.

overall its your time and money. some people with a good sailing background just need a little formal quantification and a fast track, and others with less experience may benefit from taking a slower more comprehensive route. one should ask themselves if they are ready to take the boat they learned on out for a charter with their own crew. if so, then the course was good. if not, well, the track may have been too fast.

i'm rambling, but the takeaway here is that there is some value to getting sea time, learning on different sized boats, and classes that are not taught in a hurry.
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Re: Too Much, Too Soon?

Thanks everybody for the responses. I finally decided to go ahead and stick with solely the basic keelboat 101 class for now. Iíll be taking the class this weekend After maybe a couple months of some weekend sailing (Hopefully I can find a good sailing club with cheap charters) and Iíll move on to the next one.

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Re: Too Much, Too Soon?

My only comment is that Jimmy Buffet is a complete dork.
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lesson #1 LEARN ON THE OTHER PERSON'S BOAT!
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Re: Too Much, Too Soon?

spec, two things will help you get lots more time on boats.

1-let folks know you are available on short notice, and make sure they've got contact numbers for you.

2-Be RELIABLE. If you say you'll be there, be there and be there early and prepared. Lots of crew are incredibly unreliable, and if work gets out that you can fill in at the last minute, and you show up when you say you will, people tend to call you FIRST.

There are many ways to make yourself appreciated as crew, but those two probably trump them all.
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Re: Too Much, Too Soon?

That's one other thing I know I need to learn quick, how to sail on other people's boats for free. Where should I look first? A local sailing club, or is there somewhere like a classifieds looking for crew?

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Spec - I see you're out of Kemah. Here's how I found a ride in the area:

Galveston Bay Cruising Association - Home

Join their forum and start asking around.
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Re: Too Much, Too Soon?

Ahh, are they the ones that do the Wednesday or Thursday night races on the bay next to the Endeavor tower?
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