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Old 03-25-2004
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My wife is 40 something, can''t tell or I will be shot.
I am 55 & we are looking to buy a boat to learn on & maybe do some coastal crusing off the Texas coast later.
I have found a Laguna Windrose 25 in my area that would be just right for the lake sailing we will do to start since the NE Texas lakes have short shallow power boat ramps. All these guys do is fish & ski.
Does anyone have any other suggestions for a trailer sailor boat in the 22 to 25 foot range that can be car launched?
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We ended up with a C-22 because they sail well, sell well, and sleep two, dine 4 and drink 6 adults. My limit was a tow capacity of 3500#, this boat just makes it. Unless you are in the market for a new truck or car, this is a limiting factor on your trailer boat. There are alot of good and very few great boats in this range because they are entry level for the best part--what I would caution you on is the boat ramps. Powerboaters gun their engines to hop their ski boats onto the trailer--blowing holes in the lakebottom. You come along with a displacement boat that must have a level trailer, in the water, in the midst of those holes--or else the boat will be tipped when you haul out. One afternoon of trying at least 10 times to get my C-22 even on the trailer made me examine the boat launch before ever taking the boat off the trailer. You will always get it off, but it is a challenge to get it back on esp on a shallow water shoreline. If that is your world, then get a smaller lighter boat, like an 18 foot Capri, for ease of trailering.

just some things to think on
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I know you were talking 22 to 24 ft, however have you looked at any of the WestWight Potters? .... I have a 19 and it is very easy to trailer,launch and recover, and has more room below than many larger boats. Potters sail pretty flat with very little heel, and are very forgiving. Here is their web site.

www.wwp.com
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I have a Venture 24 (old Macgregor ) that is easy to launch on the lake . It draws 18 inches with the keel winched up . I have no mast raising system so it takes two to step it now but with a winch on it I could do it easily by myself . Boat is light enough to be responsive to the ever shifting winds on the lake and is still teaching me on every sail . This is an excellent boat to learn on with a minimum investment that you could recover when you sell and get a larger boat for cruising .
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I think the site for the west wight potter is:
http://www.westwightpotter.com/
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I, too, own a C-22. I bought her a couple of years ago with the intention of learning to sail before trying to move up to a cruising sailboat. This year, we had a blast with her, overnighting and weekending as often as possible. We have some friends who bought a Hunter 235 and we go out together sometimes. They have come to call our boat "The Battleship" because of her heaviness and stout construction.

Alas, we have now purchased our "step up" boat and our beloved "Patience" is resting under our house in the driveway.
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I cut my teeth on a Catalina 22, and I recommend them. I don''t think you can go wrong there. But the Windrose looks to be a fine boat as well, and may offer a bit more room for weekending if you''ve a mind. What choices you have will depend on your local market more than any other factor. But you should have many options in this 22-25'' trailered entry-level boat category. This is a good choice for couples new to sailing who want a dry ride. A swing-keel trailerable offers a good combination of responsivness, comfort, forgiveness, and versatility, and there''s always a resale market when you''re ready to move up.

One caution for any new boatbuyer: the condition of the sails will affect your offer: even used, sails are costly components of your vessel. Inspect them closely and tug hard at the stitching. The sun''s UV will deteriorate the the threads, and they will eventually fail under load. There''re fewer sickening sounds for a sailor''s ear than heeling under a gust and hearing your sail "unzipping" over your head as the seams let go. The mainsail has a shorter life than the jib, so it should receive the majority of your attention.

Insist on taking the boat out for a sail, and if the owner balks, tell him you''re looking at another boat whose owner has agreed to a sail. If you know enough to do it, while at the dock, raise the main and tighten all sail controls, and see if the bottom third of the sail is baggy even when "flattened" (or just pay attention to how the sail hangs when not under pressure, i.e., while motoring out when there is no wind, or while tacking, when the skipper turns the boat and the bow moves across the oncoming wind). A blown out (baggy) sail seriously compromises the performance (and enjoyment) of you boat, and will need to be replaced. Know how much a replacement will cost on the used market, and don''t be afraid to explain to the owner why your offer is under his asking if the sail needs to be retired.

While underway, take a turn at the tiller. Feel. If you''ve never piloted a boat before, ask the owner to teach you. It''s his sale.

Don''t rush in to ownership. Do your homework. Try to get out on some of the boats you are considering. Go down on the docks and talk to people. You''ll be impressed on the whole with how helpful and free with information most sailors are. You will probably receive offers for daysails from enthusiastic sailors. Many of the owners of larger boats have owned trailer sailers and will be ripe with experience and opinions. And if you find someone whom you deem trustworthy, or already have an experienced sailing friend, ask him to come with you to look at a boat. My first boat had many flaws that I frankly didn''t know to look for; an experienced eye would have been very helpful.

And don''t discount what the wife has to say. If she likes the belowdecks layout of a certain boat, or its motion while underway, it will be difficult to dissuade her.

Enjoy the process.
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