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Re: Reefing a headsail???

I think you will be very disappointed in your boats performance if you only have a 10% sail for the Chesapeake. I would suggest the 130- 135 and find a cheap older 100% as you wont be using it that often.

With Bacons the prices wont go down with the season. They will negotiate, but if the sail which fits your boat is there..it may not be tomorrow, At least there you acn look at it and feel it before buying it.

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Re: Reefing a headsail???

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I think you will be very disappointed in your boats performance if you only have a 10% sail for the Chesapeake.
Wow.. a 10% sail might even have been OK in Sandy
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Re: Reefing a headsail???

Yeah Chef.. I knew that was a mistype
The dims published list the foot whatzis "J" at 10.5' compared to mine at 11'. The seller sez the thing is a 110% and the "clew to clew" dim is 16 feet! He cpuld be measuring JP";but I don;t think that number wou;d be that far off from "J". Huge diff there; so I don;t know what it'll be. The 110 for a Starwind 27 might be nearer to my "j" dim. Pryde doesn't list sizes unless you request a quote. If its actually 16 feet, it'd be near to a 145% genny! Hence the "reefing" question. I'm not sure I'd be OK learning with that much cloth ahead But for a little better than a C-note, it's all good
Bacons' had a few near to 100-110% but hank-ons in my price range were shot and had huge repairs..if done at all. "As-new" or better grade used are close to 70% of the price of new. More'n I wanna spend ta learn on! A 100%'r is fine w/me. I need ta go slow till I learn ta go fast!
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Re: Reefing a headsail???

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The (relatively insignificant) problems with jibs with 'reef points' are two fold:
1. the large 'overhang' of rolled up foot material that extends 'past' the new reef clew cringle.
2. the need for a 'stout' means to control the jib luff tension (a jib cunningham, etc. affixed to 'strong' reinforcing patches). Without a cunningham-like means to control luff tension ... not the luff itself but the sail material tension immediately behind the luff, you will get 'scallops' between the hanks which will tend to 'permanently stretch' the sail cloth between the hank positions. A jib cunningham on a jib with reef points will help prevent this.

The use of a (slab) reefable jib, etc. is a VERY good way ensure good sail SHAPE, especially needed for going 'upwind' in gnarly conditions. This is a strategic advantage over a roller furled jib that typically can only be 'roller reefed' to approx 30% sail area reduction before the shape -- goes all to hell and you get extreme bagginess in the important luff section and thus lose important 'pointing ability'.

I prefer the jib, etc. reef points to run along at an 'up angle' towards the clew for two reasons:
1. if carefully 'angled' you dont have to reset (much) the fore/aft position of the jib fairlead car.
3. the resultant higher (new) clew position will be 'far above the deck' for less trapping of 'green water'. Another way to state this is the my reef points are arranged so that I effectively change a relatively low clew 'normal' shape into a 'yankee' shape with 'high' clew when deep reefed.
Any photos of this setup in use?
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Re: Reefing a headsail???

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Yeah Chef.. I knew that was a mistype
The dims published list the foot whatzis "J" at 10.5' compared to mine at 11'. The seller sez the thing is a 110% and the "clew to clew" dim is 16 feet! He cpuld be measuring JP";but I don;t think that number wou;d be that far off from "J". Huge diff there; so I don;t know what it'll be. The 110 for a Starwind 27 might be nearer to my "j" dim. Pryde doesn't list sizes unless you request a quote. If its actually 16 feet, it'd be near to a 145% genny! Hence the "reefing" question. I'm not sure I'd be OK learning with that much cloth ahead But for a little better than a C-note, it's all good
Bacons' had a few near to 100-110% but hank-ons in my price range were shot and had huge repairs..if done at all. "As-new" or better grade used are close to 70% of the price of new. More'n I wanna spend ta learn on! A 100%'r is fine w/me. I need ta go slow till I learn ta go fast!
This sounds like a sail that is/was for sale on CL near me, it was advertised as 110% but not on any boat he had. If it is I bought a drifter from hime that fit my Alberg 30. Says it was from a Starwind 27. Fit my Alberg almost perfect. the sail I bought was as described.
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Re: Reefing a headsail???

Seller was on CL ; but sez he's in Conn. Didn't list the boat in ad, I hadda ask him, He gave me dimensions but the sail bag is marked 110% and neil Pryde on sail, Sez it has bronze "bullet" hanks and is in "used a couple tomes one season" shape. Pix he sent to my phone looked like it; but how can ya tell on a phone ?
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Re: Reefing a headsail???

Well...... I go t the sail last week. Seems the BAG is a Neil Pryde and has 110% listed onnit; but the sail is another story. Remnant of glue from a formerly there name patch; circular about 6 inches..any clue?

It *is* in great shape, hardware's good and the hanks are as advertised. WHile that's all good, the foot *is* what he sent me, dimension-wise; a measured 16'-3". Doing the math; it looks like I am the new owner of a 150% Genoa!!

Before going all hysteric and sending it out for modifications....

I *do* have a spare main...P 30 X E 10.75 ft.Looks like it might have a reef point at approx 25% or four feet up the luff. The loops/hoops that fasten the sliders uses a thru-bolt. I *could* use garden variety s.s. spring clips or carabiners to hank it on and use the leech reef point for the sheet; then just reef the reamaining triangle into a roll and tie off.
Balance would be 140 +/- sf as compared to 187sf for a 100 %. Roughly an 75%'er.

Another option would be to hoist the entire main (albeit, backwards!) higher and use a cable bridle to attach the tack to the deck plate?? to get the clew up off the deck. The 36' something forestay wouldn't care; would it?? Ends up at 86% of I/J

Might be a tad goofy; but would do for a reduced/storm/learning jib?? I'd hate ta get caught out..as a noob.. with that much (150%) canvas up ta start with.

IN the meantime, I'll keep my eyes peeled for a *real* 100% +/- jib!

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Re: Reefing a headsail???

Don't even bother trying to "repurpose" a mainsail as a genoa... Everything will be wrong about it.

By your description of the glue dot it sounds like it could be a North sail but I think Sostadt had a circular logo too.

Keep looking and try out this sail on the calm days. Please....
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Re: Reefing a headsail???

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Re: Reefing a headsail???

ullman sails and North use circular logos.
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