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Hello,

I read that thread about him and was shocked. If there is any truth in it... whoa! What a nightmare!

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Yeah, grain of salt time. But, if it never happened, none of us would know why "mordida" is a common word world over.

Remember, CD, these are among the reasons why one should never confirm or deny the presence of nuclear weapons aboard one's vessel.
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Is having a pebble-bed nuclear reactor on-board a reason to get your boat impounded???
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...The owner of the property doesn't own the view. Public waterways are public property, maintaintained by public funds....If the offensive boater is violating environmental or other laws, then punish him. Taking away rights of all boat owners is not the appropriate solution.
The owner of a property doesn't own the view outside his property, but they should have a strong say in the laws that influence it. For example, someone parked a pile of junk car in front of the house I rent. I called the city and they towed it after it was left sitting for 48hrs. Public waterfronts and water ways are the same as city streets, or public parks. They're for use, but not to live on.

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adj.
1. Deserted by an owner or keeper; abandoned.
2. Run-down; dilapidated.
3. Neglectful of duty or obligation; remiss. See Synonyms at negligent.
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1. Abandoned property, especially a ship abandoned at sea.
2. A homeless or jobless person; a vagrant.
3. Law Land left dry by a permanent recession of the water line.
[Latin drelictus, past participle of drelinquere, to abandon : d-, de- + relinquere, to leave behind; see relinquish.]

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So,gyrfalcon ,according to your defintion,when you see a homeless man
you call the police?
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So,gyrfalcon ,according to your defintion,when you see a homeless man you call the police?
Sure, if he is pissing on the street or sleeping there...
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there are a couple of reasons for what happened to this guy who says he got his boat "stolen" by the autorities. 1- he had not the boat's and/or his own papers in order. remember that you must have a valid visa. 2- carrying fire arms is not allowd. neither drugs. 3-foreigners are allowd to stay for 6 months and may prorrogate it for another 6 months. one trick is to "rent" your boat to a tourism agency. this allowd the boat to stay for 4 years and may prorrogate for another 4 years. 3- the skipper must be of the same nationality of where the boat is registered. 4- there is no report of any boat been held by autorities without some thing realy wrong with it. some brazilians try to "import" boats without paying the propper taxes (very hight, 100% over the paying price) and in those cases the autorities will play very hard on you. only in this case and drugs stuff they can arrest your boat by the brazilian laws.
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Well,

Some of our best friends in the world are Brazilians. Great people. Of course, that does not always mean a lot. For example, let me tell you about my experience with a particulair Portugese Sailor...
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Excuse me but I would just like to call "********" here. The owner of the property doesn't own the view. Public waterways are public property, maintaintained by public funds. If the waterfront land owners don't like the view - they can build a fence. They aren't entitled to assess global laws to control property they don't own.

In the case of the derrilict boat owner, that should be addressed on a case by case basis - not by institituing global anchoring laws that affect ALL boaters. If the offensive boater is violating environmental or other laws, then punish him. Taking away rights of all boat owners is not the appropriate solution.
absolutely...i liveaboard and move about and must from time to time stop for periods of months to work...i would hate to think that the only people allowed to cruise are the independently wealthy retired....and i strongly agree that there are more and more restrictions on any lifestyle that doesn't fit into the standard box....(many of the people who live in the box are very vocal about what a burden the box lifestyle is and , unfortunately, would restrict the options of those that don't choose to join them in said restricted lifestyle...) that said, i understand that the restrictions which are levied against those of us who liveaboard on a slim budget are often brought on by the complete lack of respect for others that is shown by a few...and the only fair way to deal with this is, as pointed out, on a case by case basis...
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But a case by case basis gets into discrimination. One mans derilict is another mans castle. So the authorities use an even hand and ban everybody. The few rotten apples spoiled the bunch.
As for building a fence, most municipalities have ordinances against building privacy fences near the water. In my city that includes hedges or anything that blocks the view of the bay.

Homeless persons was mentioned. If the homeless person keeps moving then there's no issue. If the homeless person sets up a tent in the right of way by the curb, hes out of there in a split second. There are plenty of homeless shelters he can use.
That's the way it is in crowded urban areas, deal with it.
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