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The simple fact is that any legit european can get a tourist visa to visit USA.
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The simple fact is, That in Slovak republic or Czech republic, which is poor East Europe, they checking your monthly income. If you have less than 600usd per month, you are considered as economic immigrant. My retirement is 120usd per month. Average salary in my country is around 450usd per month. In west Europe average salary is 2000-3000usd, and they dont checking them. Because no reason. West Europe is rich. But not East Europe, My country is in EU two years. Thats are simple facts. And AGAIN someone wrote something without real checking of the situation. Here are propably people who has nothing to do , just write without reason and not according reality.
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A few questions if I may?

Greetings Everyone,

This is very interesting and brings up several
questions. I am very new to all this and am
currently studying/practicing for my Basic Coastal
Cruising Certificate from the ASA. Next I will take
Coastal Navigation this winter and Advanced Coastal
Cruising next summer. This is all with the intent of
buying a reasonably priced boat and sailing in the
Pacific. The boats I am currently interested in are Wharram
catamarans. My sailing instructor said he always thought
they were pretty good boats except for resale. That
doesn't bother me because I intend to keep it and
live on it. Here is the problem I'm just beginning to see
via this thread, almost all of the Wharrams for sale
are in other countries. For instance there is what
seems to be a very nice Pahi 42 for sale south of
Rio, Brazil. What in the world would I need as far as
documentation from the owner so that I ACTUALLY
own the boat after paying for it? From what I have gleaned
so far it is almost impossible to get insurance on an
older plywood boat. If it is currently registered in Brazil
can I just sail with her under that flag? Is USCG registration
required for a personal cruiser? A bunch of questions I know,
as I said I'm just learning and am REALLY glad to read
all the red flag posts. The more I learn the more problems
I hope to avoid.

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Nice hi-jack of an outrageous thread.
At least there are now legitimate questions and discussions to be had.
Sorry though I cannot help you with the answers.
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If you can register her in Brazil, you can sail her under the Brazillian flag, other wise you should probably get her documented in the United States. USCG documentation is far more advantageous for a boat bound for foreign shores, if you are an American Citizen....if you're not, you're not allowed to USCG document a boat.

USCG documentation is internationally recognized, where state registration is not. In many countries, with a USCG documented boat, you can check in with Customs, and then check out, and pay just a single fee to the country... with a state registered boat, you may have to pay the fee at each port and check in and out at each port.

If your boat is USCG documented, it is internationally recoginized as a flagged vessel of the United States and gives you some legal protections not available to a state-registered boat.

Getting financing is often easier on a USCG documented boat.

USCG documentation is often cheaper if you intend to keep the boat a long time...as it is a one time fee of $300, and renewal is free. State registration is an annual fee....not as expensive usually, but over the years more expensive.

Generally, for ownership, it depends on the country and place the boat is currently registered.... often you need the Builder's certificate and the title. You would probably need to consult a broker or marine law attorney to do this properly.

Getting insurance may be possible, but I'd imagine would require a full-survey by a competent surveyor that is approved by your insurance company for plywood boats.

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Thank you

Thank you for the information sailing dog.
I really appreciate it! Is it possible that an
American flagged boat is more of a 'target'
these days, times being what they are?

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Depends on where you're sailing...

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Yes, that does make sense. I will rephrase,
Where would you not want to sail as an
American vessel?

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There are advantages to sailing under an American flag. The US Navy is currently engaging pirates in some of the worst hit areas, and being a US-flagged vessel makes it more likely they will help you.

That said, most pirates are not really all that interested in smaller, older boats, as there isn't as much to gain from attacking them. The bigger yatchs are definitely ripe targets...

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Which is why I always fly the CrossBones flag. THere is honor amongst thieves. HAHA
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