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Old 07-21-2006
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I was not justifying polluting...I was commenting on our fine politicians who addressed the small population of boaters with unworkable regulations and crazyness...not allowing discharge from heads which emit cleaner waste than municiple sewage facilities! Then make us have holding tanks which overflow and there is NO working pumpout within a 1/2 day sail. All this while permitting the major pollutors to get away with murdering the Bay. BTW...we DO contribute to Save the Bay.
I do not believe that directly flushing into open water is polluting. It is organic and breaks down like everything else and I think 3 miles is too far to require people to go except where swimming activity might be affected. I do NOT support discharge into enclosed bodies of water. If politicians would allow or REQUIRE TypeII heads on all boats AND eliminate the need for pumpouts AND NDA's while cracking down and spending money to get rid of the other 99.9% of pollution then we'd have cleaner water and something practical.
I fully understand that others opinions may differ but hope mine is clearer now!
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In my original question, I never said anything about discharging in the marina I'm at, I never anything about going near waikiki beach and unloading, I asked if it was feasible, if I was outside the 3-mile rule, to discharge into the ocean.
Take another slant on it 3 miles out = international waters in most places.
If your countrys laws end at 3 miles out.......
You can bet local ethics end there too.

At 3 miles out, semi submerged shiping containers, dead heads and junk are a bigger hazard than anything you could squeeze out

As for the environmental impact, Pffft,,, Those fish are a lot happier in the sea than on the plate when humans won't risk eating them
So according to Surfesq's logic Dumping 3 miles out means your actually protecting the marine life
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Who's going to catch all the whales, seals and porpoises and make them all wear Depends?

Maybe "Greenpeace" could start a new movement, "SeaPoo"...bunch of guys in chase boats with safety pins in their mouths...LOL
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You guys are idiots! Think of it like this. Are you old enough to remember how bad pollution was back in the 1970s when that kind of mentality was the rule. Rivers were dead and toxic, people threw trash everywhere. Is that what you want? If it was not the raising of public awareness places like the Hudson River would still be a mess.
This past weekend on the Chesapeake Bay there was literally hundreds if not thousands of boats on the water. If everyone adopted your mentality the Bay would be brown. The difference with three miles out in the ocean is that you might see one boat here or there. So your pea-brain **** would not amount to much. Is that too complicated for you to grasp?
I am not a huge fan of Greenpeace but what are you doing to make sure your kids inherit a better world? Although maybe you should start slow and try not being an idiot for your kid.
By the way morons, just because there is rampant pollution continuing out in the ocean is not a justification for adding to the problem. You should have to sail with an open bag of **** duck taped to your chest so you can smell it all day. Maybe you would have a different attitude.
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Sorry TB. You know I am not a lefty. But to me, if you claim to be even moderately intelligent, justifying or advocating pollution betrays the notion. I have no patience for morons.
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I'll just plan on visiting the pumping station as part of my weekly chores, I suppose.
Unless you are in a NDZ, you can legally pump directly overboard if you are using a Type I or Type II marine sanitation device (MSD). These are heads that treat the waste before it goes overboard. Check your local regulations to determine which type is OK in your area. And as previously mentioned, raw sewage is a no-no, especially in a marina.

Also consider a mobile pumpout service, if you don't want to DIY.
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Unless you are in a NDZ, you can legally pump directly overboard if you are using a Type I or Type II marine sanitation device (MSD). These are heads that treat the waste before it goes overboard. Check your local regulations to determine which type is OK in your area. And as previously mentioned, raw sewage is a no-no, especially in a marina.

Also consider a mobile pumpout service, if you don't want to DIY.
After futher research, this is the method that I will be installing into my boat, I think. Hawaii is NOT a NDZ and using a Type 1 or 2 MSD it is legal to discharge directly overboard. (I am obviously going with a Type 1 for cost/space savings since I only have a 30' boat.). I'm sure there are people who think this method is just as bad...but I think it is a very eco-friendly (and legal) compromise to this whole debate.
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It might be worth getting a holding tank installed, even if it is a very small one. If Hawaii ever passes legislation for becoming a NDZ, then you'll need one, and installing it at the same time you're installing your new head system makes much more sense and will be much cheaper than trying to retro-fit it.
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In 2002 USCG lists over 13 million numbered boats in the US. Can you imagine all of them dumping within the 3 mile limit?
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