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post #11 of 18 Old 12-21-2006
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Some marinas have minimum size for liveaboard, you may want to call the ones you are interested in. It is the cheapest waterfront living there is.
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Well...the first boat being in Maine might present some problems for you as it is not trailerable and would have to be professionally moved or sailed to Philly. Annapolis is doable with an outboard engine if need be.
Knowing the Catalina 27 pretty well...I would tell you that even at a $5k asking price a C27 will generally need a good bit of work to get back to fully functioning Bristol condition and provide plenty of summer fun. When you get down into the $3K range...you are generally looking at real project boats with significant issues. For example...if that Atomic 4 needs rebuilding you are looking at more than the cost of the boat.
Don't limit your search to catalinas...I love 'em but for your purposes..but hunters in the same price range and vintage would do just as well.
Ultimately, you'll want to have whatever boat you buy surveyed professionally to avoid serious hidden problems but the first step if finding a boat that fits your budget and appeals to YOU. That means finding a few in the ads and going to look at them and keeping your checkbook in your pocket till you have a feel for what you get for your money!
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Eliott,
Ask 1000 people and you'll get 900 different answers. Personally, I've lived on a Cal 27 for 6 months so far in the Great Lakes and it's more than enough space for me. Nothing is perfect, but I gaurantee it beats the hell out of a van in comfort and space. I have water, heat, light, head with holding tank, etc. No shower, however, I was docked in a marina with showers. It's TOTALLY do able. It just takes a bit of getting used to.
In my honest opinion the best way to approach it is to have an end goal in mind. My goal is to have a large blue water cruiser eventually. SO.....I'm living on my little 27 and saving a LOT of money that I'd be spending on rent and utilities. I cook on board and live quite comfortably by myself. Living on board in Chicago during the winter I'm sure would be hard but if I chose to do it I'm confident that I could.
One thing you need to think about is where will you be going for grad school? Will it be a coastal area you can cruise to? Or, will it be on the other coast where it wouldn't make sense to sail all the way around. Maybe the boat you need needs to be trailerable.
Personally I like the fixed keep boats with inboard motors. They (for the most part) take rougher water better and are more stable. Its just a personal preferance. There is no right answer. Find what works for you.
My advice is to see as many boats as you can within your price range. Then, take a look at the final few with someone that knows about fiberglass blistering, structural imperfections, botched up repairs, etc... If nothing else, you want a good solid hull, deck, and mast. Cosmetics and everything else you can work on yourself if you're the handy type.
I was able to find my Cal 27 for $5K. Its not perfect, I have some minor problems that I'm working on in the deck, but its mostly cosmetic. Other than that its in near mint condition with an inboard motor in great condition.
Hope that helps. It's just my 2 cents.




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Elliot - I;m in Philly too but a newbie to saling - I'll be taking some classes in the spring and will go on some trips with PSC.

Here's a link I found:

http://www.philamarinecenter.com/Rates.htm

A buddy of mine said he met a liveaboard who lived below the Ben Franklin Bridge - a great rate which includes 24hr security, pumpout, water & elec, shower and laundry, free parking and free satellite TV. I am considering gettimg a Catalina 30 and their rates indicate that all that would cost me only $277/mo - now I'm not sure if the water and electric are include or are just available but billed.

I chatted with someone else who contacted them and they they don't liveabaords - so either they don't advertise and you need to get to know them so they don't have some bozo squatter move in, or I have the wrong pier - but google searches turned up nothing else - It's almost like I have to go down there and walk around.

As for Philly winters - brrrrrr - yeah, cold - with an eletric heater I wonder if it's doable or not - I mean at least one other liveaboard is here in Philly. But you just live here now, right? And your lease is up in March - it shouldn't be too bad in April. Plus if you are leaving to go to a grad school at the end of the summer, you'll be fine.

Now me - although all I've read and chatted with peeps about, it seems like a Cat 30 is a great match for me - but to get one ready to plop in the water is at least $15K and more like $20K+ - I can't do it now - in the future I can.

I've heard from some liveabaords that Pearson 26's are not bad at all to live on with decent space - and I've seen a # advertised for $4-8000 - I may initially go that route - whenever I'm ready.

Anyone else - yea/nea ona Pearson 26?

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Also, Elliot - hit the Philly boat show in January:

http://www.strictlysail.com/shows/phili.asp?show=ph

The above is a 2 yr event supposedly - then there's a boat expo I think in February but it didn't sound like they would have sailboats.
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thanks for all the responses.
that dirty old catalina 27 on ebay still seems promising just because i am a cheap skate and was looking into paying around 2000 dollars for a van to live it. the guy says the hull,mast,deck are all solid and that he would fix the motor get keys/battery for it for <500 dollars including labor supplies etc. solid hull, mast, deck, engine for 1500 sounds like a good starting point. i could "camp out" on it through the summer and even if i dumped 4000 or 5000 into it, i would say that it was worth it as a learning experience.
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okay looking at another boat here:
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/m...252858551.html

but i was wondering what are all the things i need to get ready to live aboard this summer. i was thinking:
find marina that will let me live aboard my boat
get insurance for the boat
possibly get a boat loan if i can't afford to outright buy the boat

anything else?
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I know this is about a month old but have you looked at the Older pearsons namely the Ariel? Great boat standing room, solid, and inexpensive.
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