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Upsidedowner...please allow me.

As usual, when you use Wikipedia as your main "reliable" "information" source, you show you know much about anything as the next man...a typical case of open mouth, insert foot...how wrong you are, so take your sarcasm an insert in the back hole...ignorance is not a bliss, and you lost a good opportunity to say nothing.....

For your information, (if you want), because if you insist on throwing me wikipedia facts I desist this argument right now.

The tomato as you know it now, the red thing, was not the first tomato to arrive in Europe.

In fact the first tomato that arrived in Europe was not the red species you know, but the green one that originated from Pre-Colombian times and was spread as far as Mexico. (it arrived with the Chocolate, corn, potato, avocado, beans, etc.).

Since it turned yellow soon, it was named "pomodoro", which means "gold apple" in italian, and as a matter of fact they still use that name today. OK?

The tomato was considered for many years a poisonous fruit, (because it looked like the red berries Mandragora, if you don't know what it is go to your dear wikipedia again, and pretend to be knowlageble again....), and was only used as an ornamental fruit!!!!!!!......and the red species only arrived in Europe 30 years after the green species.

It was brought by the Spanish, in the first expeditions in the early XVI Century (and I said early) but was not eaten until much later.

It was not referenced in culinary books, because IT WAS NOT CONSIDERED A EATABLE ITEM!!!!!!! (so wikipedia under another name will you??) it arrived in 1554, to be more precise, and was in Malta as an ornament. Thus during the siege, it was not given much importance by the enemy...got it now?????

During the great siege, (and as a free foot note, for you information, also, the Grand Masters of the Order of St. John, in Malta, were either Portuguese or Spanish, and if you don't believe check your dearest wikipedia), they ate it, because they had nothing else to eat....

It is from this episode that the tomato as a poisonous fruit was dismistified!!!

Now...please, save me from smart ass inaccurate sarcasm....go back to the start box and do not collect the money.....

Sometimes, when we have nothing good to say, its better say nothing, than to prove what little we know....

Now...the Gazpacho...it originates in Andalucia, and hence the name...

But in Alentejo and Algarve there is also gaspacho. It has bread and eggs in it.

Over here, in old Europe we learn history in school, not from wikipedia or web pages.

So...I presume Andalucia is part of Portugal ?

Now would I ever use sarcasm against you old friend ? Heaven forfend.

BTW, I wasn't disputing the fact that the tomato had made it to Malta, just expressing surprise as to how quickly it got there.

Personally I spurn Wikipedia. We get our history from the backs of sweet wrappers and our sex education from toilet doors. (I do wish there was a smiley for blowing kisses.)

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When you are deploying that ankle-biter in the dusting mode do you coat him with Endust or some similar product? If you had two of them, you could lash them together, hang then over the bows, and they'd make a great anchor chain cleaning unit. (g)

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Man, the chickens are organising, Mrs, Tweety. How in the hell do we go from a thread about critters on board to nationalistic arguments about the origins of a fruit? Maybe if I upped my meds it would make sense, but I doubt it.

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Thanks Mac. I probably won't get a bird anyway. ACTUALLY, when my current menagerie goes I plan on being "sans Animale" for a while. Maybe a goldfish, now there's a sailing critter, lol.

I love ferrets; but for me I think a boat is probably not a place I would feel I could ensure their safety. Maybe for some; but I don't think I need the added stress.

As far as this thread digressing; yea, but it's been an interesting digression.



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Parrots can't take drafts well, they will get sick and die. $1000+ for a burial at sea? A "White Eye Conure" is a dwarf S.A. Parrot that can learn to talk, much cheaper but needs to be out of cold drafts also. Cage covers work well.

Ferrets usually stay in the cage but need free time to play but Sheena thinks the cage is where she eats only and gets really testy if she isn't out a lot. They can squeeze into any crack their head can fit into so Ferret proofing the cabin is a must.

If you think heeling over makes loose things go crash, get a Ferret, they are just plain nosey, then they look at you like it's not their fault. Ferrets are between a dog and a cat on the IQ chain, they usually listen more than a cat but a tad less than a dog. Ferrets are also very lovable and affectionate. They eat 4+ x's a day and the result is daily cleaning of their "corner" litter box.

Ferrets are also great swimmers, related to Mink, Weasel and Otters so a dunking if they go over usually isn't a problem. If you keep the cage clean, they don't smell.

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There's always Portuguese water dogs, they do very well on boats
They look like a med. sized sheep dogs w/ poodle fur.


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IIRC, the PWD doesn't have fur..but hair...and doesn't shed. My friends have one that is a bit on the hyperactive side...

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IIRC, the PWD doesn't have fur..but hair...and doesn't shed. My friends have one that is a bit on the hyperactive side...
My wife has hair, not fur, and she sheds all the time. She has this great wonderful head of black hair that won't be tamed, and she loses it all the time. Being so thick and dark, I find it everywhere, including my food. The curly stuff I expect to get caught in my teeth, but a 18" long strand?

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Man, the chickens are organising, Mrs, Tweety. How in the hell do we go from a thread about critters on board to nationalistic arguments about the origins of a fruit? Maybe if I upped my meds it would make sense, but I doubt it.
An organised chook young Hoffmunk is as dangerous as an intelligent sheep.


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I don't know if upping your meds makes sense but it puts a smile on my face.

Oh, yes, your query ref orgins of a fruit. Two possibilities

1. Liberace's muvva and poppa.

2. Basil as a live aboard critter and it's being a perfect accompaniment to the aforementioned fruit. No not Liberace, the other fruit. Elton John. NOOOOOOO. Tomato or as you would insist Tomaito.

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