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Regarding moisture, the toner will be fine. If the interior of the vessel is that damp, I would be considerably more worried about the electronics of the copier than the toner. Take steps to reduce the moisture content inside the vessel.
Not to pick a fight or anything - but do YOU actually use a toner printer onboard your sailboat and actually sail it with everything hooked up in something more than just fair weather?

I have lotsa of experience with printers in general in regards to RV and Boating... and laser toners are some of the most finicky machines and they are humidity sensitive / driven by the fact they absorb moisture and a sailboat is moisture capsule (unless it sits with shore power at the dock 365 days a year)...

The great things about ink jets is that the electrode plates are built into the cartridge and the printer itself is somewhat protected... making it a better risk... And again I go back to what if the printer in a storm comes crashing on the deck and the laser cartridge breaks and all that toner is every where... the laser toner itself is carcinogenic...

Not an attack on you personally - but it doesn't make sense based upon points I brought out earlier and the statement you made of moisture... there is a reason you never see insurance agents with Laser printers in their car - they are inkjets - lower form factor - more resilient to shocks and being tossed upside down and cheaper refills...
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Thanks for finding that. It looks like a great deal. But it is very big. I'll have to wait until I get aboard to see if I would have the room for that.
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HP Deskjet

I have a cheapo HP Deskjet 3845 on my desk that I use about 5 times a year. Never had issues with clogging like I used to on the epson. Also, the ink for the injets is cheaper than toner.

Can't say anything about water resistance though...

One other concern would be power draw if you're on batteries -- laser printers take a TON of power to start up where an inkjet is pretty low draw and consistent. If you're on shore power to print that's not an issue though.

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A properly ventilated boat isn't all that much of a moisture trap.

My recommendation would be to get a relatively inexpensive inkjet printer that has user replaceable heads.

Sitting long-term unused is bad for any printer... and if you decide to get an inkjet, make sure you get one with user replaceable print heads, since the print heads are usually what get gummed up. IIRC, HP makes them with replaceable print heads. Epsons are particularly notorious for clogging if sitting around unused, and don't have user replaceable heads.

As for laser printers, they're not as tolerant of being used in a moving environment, and don't like being tipped. The toner isn't really going to absorb moisture, since it is generally a fine plastic powder. Cleaning up a toner cartridge spill is a huge hassle, since most toners are smaller than the holes in most vacuum cleaner bags. The real problem laser printers have in humid environments is tha the paper absorbs humidity and then tends to jam in the printer.

I've worked with the Desktop Publishing industry for over twenty years and have setup systems in just about every location imaginable.
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I've had laser printers located in a winery which is a very humid, always wet enviroment. I never had any issues. With Ink jets, if you leave them sit, the printer just doesn't work. At least mine haven't.
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Well...

Thanks Jody,

No, I don't sail with a laser printer hooked up and running in storms. I did not know that that was the original poster's specified application.

I can say however that many laser printer manufacturers, including HP, have sealed toner bottles that may leak, but not explode. And BTW, contact with toner will not kill you.

I think the guy is looking for a multi function system that will perform well under his stated conditions: seldom used, damp environment, not too big or expensive.

Under these conditions the HP will be fine. I know laser printing systems, this is what I do for a living.

Last, all gear should be secured during sailing and especially during a storm. There are far more dangerous items that can be launched inside a stormy boat, printer toner is the least of my worries.
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Here's the system I chose. Love the options & features. I can tear out the v-berth to make room, I hope. Generator @ 8K should be able to keep it running. I wonder how it prints at 20 d heel angle. If cam can have a BBQ, i can have this...


Actually, I opted for an HP inkjet all in one. Fairly small footprint. Thanks to all who mentioned that the HP has nozzles in the cartridge. My problems were all with epson printers. Hopefully HP will do well. I had an old laser 2 that ran fine for years.
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Laser printer all the way. Individuals will notice the better quality, and its just the thing for a boat.
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I work as a graphic designer, and as a soon-to-be liveaboard wanting to do some graphics work, I would say you have to look at your needs: Do you need document reproduction in colour? Scanning? Faxing? If so, consider a multi-function machine...but be warned: they aren't much smaller than a microwave.

I prefer laser printing, but I think if I was printing once a week for non-nav purposes, I'd want the following: A dedicated fax for weatherfax hooked to the radio. These can be very small. A dedicated colour inkjet with cartridges I would remove after every use and store in a baggie with dessicant. Same with the paper stock.

If I needed to copy maps, other than hand-drawn lagoon charts (which I would scan), I would do it ashore and get a nice chart tube to go to and from shore in a dry fashion.

I think that office equipment and a boat environment aren't mutually friendly, and that printing aboard is best kept limited. If you want to do photo printing, for instance, don't expect great results unless you have the sort of printer that self-cleans its printing heads.
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Although I can't speak to the use of printers afloat, I have , for years used them in poorly heated construction trailers where they were exposed to low temps and humidity. I've used the Lexmark All-in-One, HP 960c, and HP1000, all inkjets with no problems so long as I kept the paper dry. Paper left in the tray would absorb moisture and cause jams, or stick together feeding two or three sheets at one time. Print quality was seldom affected even when printing on glossy photo paper.
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