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Does that include RVs as well? Or do they specifically mention boats? Seems an odd public good law to pass. I would think banning smoking would do more good but be a bit harder to pass.
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What do we make of the marinas in Savannah and surrounding areas that claim not to enforce the law and welcomes (in a non self-incriminating way) live aboards and provides services for them? Will the boats in these marinas get tagged just as often or mainly vessels which are anchored out? I understand the definition of the law, I was just curious as to the quality of living aboard illegally in these types of marinas who don't have a problem with it.
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What do we make of the marinas in Savannah and surrounding areas that claim not to enforce the law and welcomes (in a non self-incriminating way) live aboards and provides services for them? Will the boats in these marinas get tagged just as often or mainly vessels which are anchored out? I understand the definition of the law, I was just curious as to the quality of living aboard illegally in these types of marinas who don't have a problem with it.
So far, here is what is happening here. First folks busted were on the hook although DNR has been "bugging" marina owners for a while. Folks on the hook were told to get off the creek and into a marina and they would be ok. We took that advice, and as soon as we hit the dock (within 48 hrs) DNR contacted the marina owners with an "or else" as the reg says:
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Owners of docks where live-aboards are moored as well as owners and occupants of live-aboards are responsible under this part.
This resulted in the 2 of us who moved in off the creek as well as one poor soul who had been flying under the radar getting told to get off the boat or out of the marina.
Down the way, a marina that has 10 to 15 "liveaboards" flying under the radar one couple on board a restored 50' Chris got the boot for not being "stealthy". Having spent some time in this marina I know the owner will allow liveaboards (as long as you pay an extra dollar a foot) but you better be quiet about it. No acting like you live there. No mail, no parties, no comment.
Can't hardly blame the owners for rolling over, as they have to get permitted by DNR and the fines alone could put them under.

Hopefully with enough public opinion we can get this changed so nobody has to sneak around and lie.

Side note: At least Chatham County now considers any vessel anchored in a non-designated anchorage in excess of 30 days "abandoned" unless of course you are living on it, and then guess what. Another issue, but it gives you an idea of what the local authorities are trying to do.

galiveaboards.org is now registered with internic, and we hope to have the website up in a few days. Check there for more updates, discussions, meeting dates etc. Thanks again for the discussion and support.

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I would not assume boat us will not help in some way. they have a good legal staff and might help with some legal advice. maybe more. they are generally helpful when they can be. can't hurt to ask.

They might be able to steer you towards some federal law that takes precident.

Public opinion will be "so what? You freeloaders need to get a life" Good luck with that! The ONLY reason the Marco Island mess got straightened out was the REAL courts were involved, not the court of public opinion. The local 'court of public opinion' was to chase the boat bums away. That's how the mess started in the first place.
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Are there any new developments with you guys in Chatham? i am curious to see if anyone in other GA counties are dealing with these same issues. I thought that waters classified as navigable by the Army Corps of Engineers were federal waters and no state could write legislation preventing their use.
(Turner's wouldn't be one of these navigable waters, so I am not sure what options if any there are for you guys)
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Capt David, Please give us a clear understanding of the manner in which the "six were forced to abandon their homes" or the others were "busted" . It would be important when sharing your concerns that you indentify if these were responses to the legal notice; a verbal advice of authority; a served order; a citation; an armed escort and what type and level of authority was involved. I too am very concerned about what is happening in Georgia and I am not making light of your ordeal, but please give us an accurate report beyond "forced" and "busted". Thanks, 'Aythya crew
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Exclamation Update

Thanks to all for getting into this discussion no matter what side you are on.

Re: Turner Creek.. Yes it is "navigable waters" up to the bridge at Johnny Mercer Blvd. However, in my research, fed regs only trump state in the case of anchoring (eg: Marcus Island Desc) questions.

Re: Further discussion of circumstances: There is a thread posted at
livingaboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=13&t=000050#000017
giving the facts as we know them. Sorry to point to another forum, but as the galiveaboards.org board is now up, we are trying to get the discussions going there and don't have time to post to every question on all the liveaboard boards. (Sorry the above is not a clickable link, but we don't have enough posts)

However, we will continue to monitor these threads as we started them, and thank you for your interest.

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David...one thing I noted on the first link is the misconception that states cannot regulate anchoring by live-aboards and citing the Marco Island suit as an example. The feds have ceded to the states the right to regulate inland and coastal waters on such matters. The Marco Island decision was rendered because the STATE law was changed to allow the LOCAL Marco Ordinance to be defeated in court. There was nothing federal about the case...and it may be overturned in the future if the state law is changed again. The key in Florida based on FLORIDA's law is to claim that you are NOT a live-aboard..but rather a full time cruiser.
Vessels in navigation cannot be hindered in their traditional anchoring rights UNDERWAY.
The GA situation seems quite different since it seems to apply to both docked and at anchor boats.
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This is not a local municipality but a state law applicable to lakes, rivers and the coast. The only people forced out of their boats are in Chatham County. This is strange. I think the law was put in place to deal with homeless on rafts living on the Altamaha River. Now the DNR wants to run a few boat owners out of a bend in one tidal creek in Savannah area? Why are no evictions occurring in Brunswick where the Coastal Resources DNR office is located? I think someone must have some connections to the department and was tired of seeing some of the boats that sit at anchor there year round. It is incredible to interpret the law to make it impossible for marina owners to allow liveaboards. How can someone paying for a slip and pumping out without dumping in the rivers be a hazard to the marshlands of coastal georgia?
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New laws

The DNR has passed a new law on liveaboards in Georgia.

As of January 1, 2012, if you wish to stay aboard your boat in a marina with sewage pump out facilities for longer than 30 days, you may apply for an extension beyond the 30 days. The notice doesn’t seem to have any limit on the length of time you can stay aboard, just the regulations relating to the boat and also to the marina – you have to have a mechanism to secure your holding tank, the marina has to have adequate pump-out facilities, etc.

You can read more information at Georgia Liveaboards - Find the best marina to dock your boat
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