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Thanks SD, I appreciate your reply.. Why not answer the questions you raised.. You said to me 'NOT TO USE PETER KENNEDY" for any upgrades... I asked why/ I noticed you have dodged my questions... Whats up with the dodging? Just go back and read and answer what I asked especially rtegarding what you posted to me... All others are also free to do like wise.. As far as clicking on your links.. They did not answer any question I had or any issue you raised... Thjat should tell you something about your input.. Thanks anyway for nothing... Much regards from the PNW michael
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Exactly how did those two webpages I link to not answer your question about why you shouldn't use Peter Kennedy. Either you didn't bother reading them... or you didn't understand the fact that his company does not stand behind their work and does very shoddy work.

This is what Peter Kennedy considers a $40 masthead light bracket and the proper way to mount it:







If you look, the aluminum piece has rough burrs and badly cut edges as well as isn't wide enough for the mast head light mounting screws to be properly mounted through it. Two of the three screws are basically being held in place by silicone sealant. The screws that held the bracket to the masthead were held in place by silicone sealant alone, and didn't survive the trailer trip from Annapolis to Boston. I seriously doubt it would have survived more than a few hours sailing in the SCA conditions I am often out in. The holes were not tapped for the machines screws he used either.

This is what he considers the proper way to mount a GPS onto a swiveling plate:



The circle indicates the area covered by the Delrin bearing on the rotating part of the swing arm mounting platform. If you look, you'll see that one of the mounting screws was drilled and screwed into the Delrin bearing surface, damaging it badly.

If you don't consider work like this a reason not to use Peter Kennedy and his company, I wish you good luck. Almost every system he touched has had some serious problems or was not connected properly. Mind you, this is the quality of the work after Peter Kennedy had assured me that he was taking a personal interest in getting the work done properly.

I'd also compare the quality of work Peter Kennedy did with work done by a friend of mine, who did some stainless steel work for me, making the new stainless steel block mounting plates for my halyards led aft project.... The pieces were beautifully made with smooth edges and countersunk/chamfered fastener holes. Yeah, there's a big difference between someone who cares to do a job properly and Peter Kennedy and his crap work.


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Thanks SD, I appreciate your reply.. Why not answer the questions you raised.. You said to me 'NOT TO USE PETER KENNEDY" for any upgrades... I asked why/ I noticed you have dodged my questions... Whats up with the dodging? Just go back and read and answer what I asked especially rtegarding what you posted to me... All others are also free to do like wise.. As far as clicking on your links.. They did not answer any question I had or any issue you raised... Thjat should tell you something about your input.. Thanks anyway for nothing... Much regards from the PNW michael
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SD, Thanks for the posts.... The links were a great read... There seems to be a conflict between your oppinion and the owners of the company... At least from what they share with me as well as TWO Gemini owners in the PNW share with me... I have read the posts carefully and will forward them to Gemini as well talk with them in the morning about what others have said.. Keep in mind I have two Gemini owners who used Peter Kennedy and like what he did.. You have STILL FAILED to answer my questions regarding the Gemini and the needed upgrades for LA and cruising status...

OK SD..... If Peter Kennedy is so bad, what do I still need to do with the Gemini and who should do it?
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SD, I do not desire to argue with you at ALLLLL..... Just be fair with me please.... You "RIP" the companby that the boat builder recommends to me. What am I suppose to do? It almost makes me not want to buy a brand new Gemini... Keep in mind I am buying from the west coat and have to pay for shipping... If I can not rely on the builders recommendations then who can I rely on SD??? Can you understand my position SD??? It is not meant to be contentious... Pls realize that....
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Actually, from what I was told, Performance Cruising is no longer recommending Peter Kennedy as their preferred electrical contractor, at least for the Telstars. Maybe, his experience with the Geminis and how to upgrade them is why they still recommend him for the upgrades on the Gemini. Maybe it was this one person he had doing the work, but in my dealings with Peter, it seems once he got the money, he had no reason to stand behind the work he did.

Personally, I would have to boat delivered to the West Coast and sail the boat a while and figure out what you really want/need on it. Once you have a good idea of what you need/want, then hire an electrical contractor locally, so that if you do have problems, you can have them fixed locally. Even if Peter were willing to fix the problems his installation caused, it would require me taking my boat back down to Annapolis. There is no reason a local electrical contractor can't do the work while you're living aboard.

As for what you need to do with the Gemini really depends on what you're doing with the Gemini.

Basic upgrades would include a larger battery bank, additional light fixtures and outlets in various places throughout the boat, and such. Adding solar panels and/or a wind generator might be a good idea if you're planning on longer distance cruising or staying on a mooring or the hook for any period of time——since you need to have some way to charge the batteries without using the engine IMHO.

You might also need/want to add a ground plane and SSB transceiver or additional navigation instruments. A stereo system is also a common upgrade on many boats. Additional cockpit lighting might also be good if you're going to be using the cockpit at night for entertaining.

I don't know how you're going to use the boat... so these are just basic suggestions that would probably be needed on any liveaboard/long-distance cruising boat. They were things I had requested Peter Kennedy do, and most of them he screwed up pretty badly.

BTW, I just found out that the two connectors for the solar panels, port and starboard, are wired differently, and if you tried to plug the port panel into the starboard panel power connector, you wouldn't get electricity to the batteries and vice versa. IMHO, it would make sense to wire the two panels identically, so that either could be used on either side of the boat, don't you agree??? Also, I'd point out that I was present in the Annapolis area for at least two of the weeks his company was working on my boat. He delivered the boat four weeks later than he promised as well.
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SD, I actually agree with you about having upgrades done locally.. I am a cynic when it comes to trusting people let alone those who already have been paid and live 3000 miles away... MY big problem comes back to my original question if you recall.... It was about maintaining the boat and how accessable things would be.. That would also include upgrades... I realize any boat yard in the PNW can most likely do any Gemini upgrade.. My thinking was it would be better done at the time of building... Yes, I was recommended Peter Kennedy for upgrades at the time of building.. What bothers me is that the two individuals talk seperately to me... I am beginning to "feel' as if both work together for my money... I just desire to be on the same page is all... All Gemini owners up where I am located went through Peter Kennedy (that I know of)... I would have to ask somne one locally to look at the Gemini and decide what upgrades would be required.. The problem I am concerned about is un doing what has already been done... That is where a local person has an advantage... I did talk with Tony's wife and she told me they work close with Peter Kennedy on any and all upgrades.. She also stated the boat is production and some upgrades would be difficult after purchase. Thats why I want things done at the time.. I like the Gemini and I must admit, based on my own personal bias regarding company longevity- I am gaining concern about Gemini.. I am still old school- A mans word is his word.... It may mean nothing to some but to me it means means much... If what you say is true then it means Gemini has been less then honest with me... That means if I want that boat- I will look used and seek local upgrades... In todays world money talks... There is reason some sell cheap... Some companies just honor thier custormers better then others I suppose... I head back to my original thread about Hunters, Catalinas and Benes.... Guess it all comes down to treust for me and many other buyers as well.. Thanks SD... YOU made thingd easier and also harder for me.. But better.. So for that I extend my gratititude... Mike

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When it comes to the boat itself, I can't comment on the Gemini, but I can comment on Performance Cruising, and how they have treated me. When the guys at my marina kinked one of the ama locking lines, which are stainless steel, hauling the boat for the winter in 2006, PCI sent me a replacement gratis... and I was able to get it back on the boat and sail as soon as we launched her the following season. BTW, I wasn't present for the 2006 haulout, since I was in the hospital at the time... and that is probably why they had the problem they did.

They've also been very good about incorporating improvements made or suggested by the owners in to the product line, which a lot of manufacturers aren't willing to do.

Peter Kennedy's word isn't worth spit in my opinion.
I don't think that PCI has been less than honest with you... Kennedy has been doing the Gemini upgrades a long time and probably knows the electrical side of them as well as anybody. The Telstar, when I got my boat, was a bit over two years old...and mine was probably only the third or fourth one that Peter's company worked on.

Part of the problem with doing some of the upgrades during the building process is that can often make them harder to maintain, since the accessibility once the boat is finished is lower than when the boat is being built. By having the upgrades done in the PNW, by a local company, you're much more likely to have decent access to all of the bits and pieces. I would highly recommend inspecting and checking on how the installations are being done during the process—which is something I didn't do as well as I should have.
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SD, I can only thank you for your oppinion... I have none which is why I value those who do... I really like the Gemini and want the best up front. Peter Kennedy was recommended to me- not sure if by some one (gemini owner) or company.. I do know that the company supported him and said they would work with him... That I know from personal phone conversation with the wife/owner of the company. It does trouble me that I would be steered in this direction- especially if the 'powers to be" know better... After talking with you on here I am leaning towards buying a used Gemini and having what upgrades done here locally... It boils down to credibility- thats all... Personally if I was boat builder and someone was making my boat there poster child on there web site- and I did not like there work... I'd say so on my website and certainly to my perspective buyers... That LACK of Credibility falls on Gemini and Not Peter Kennedy.. Gemini could have told me what upgrades were needed and help me find a local in the PNW to do them.. That falls on the boat builder and no one else- well except the buyer beware! Makes me look at the big three- once again, it is about credibility.... Thanks SD
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Glad to help. One point—If you buy a used Gemini, it may already have many of the upgrades you would otherwise be looking to add. There is a significant difference between the older Gemini 3000's and the newer Gemini 105 series. I would recommend, if you can find one, getting the 105 series of boats instead.
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Thanks.. I will probably buy used and just work with a local boat yard... Probably will be a 105mc which will be in my price range. I wil hope that the one I buy does not have peter kennedy's prints on it... Always said the best Kennedy is a dead one..
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