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hello, I am Barrister xort from Mogadishu. i have $40 millions in cash in a trimaran in Massachewsits. if you will help me to take the money to a bank for the deposit, i will give you a finders fee of 15%
god bless you and I look forward to hearing from you hastily.
ps, you must have a checking account for which to deposit the cashes into.
god bless you

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xort---How do I put this--Drop Dead, but before you do wire me the %15 and I'll send you a rubber Duckey!
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Lose one gain one. I guess all the reasons he is leaving is the reasons I found the thread interesting. Not that I don't have sympathy for someone in need but just going to a forum and asking for a free boat is not the way someone truly in need would do it. I would think the time would be better spent contacting the many organizations which assist those of us who have hit the skids. Having enough skills to find an internet connection, locate the correct forum and write a nicely worded request for a free boat requires some knowledge. Not providing the details of the boat such as manufacture and other details makes me wonder what marina it is in. The one thing you get at marina is free advice on repairs. The OP seem light on details except the ones which pull at your heart strings.
Welome to Sailnet. Good post, great to have you aboard.

My offer to Tiaraswake the OP a few pages back still stands. If only she can get us some pics, details and history of the boat, maybe we could collectively do something here for her? The ball is definitely in her court on this however.

I do understand everyone's suspicions. I am however trying to give the OP the benefit of the doubt, maybe 99 out of 100 posts like her's could be dodgy, but hey she could be the 1 that isn't.......i'm just saying....

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Sorry to say but it is cheaper to liveaboard than in an apartment etc. Yes things break or quit working on a boat, but not all at the same time. My slip fee is $324 including electric and water for a 36' boat. Liability ins. $300,000 costs $247 a year! Same insurance quote from Boat US that everyone thinks is so great $859.00. If you do the work needed on your boat yourself and don't have a 50' boat with washer/dryer, tv, microwave, ac ect. and you pay the Marina to do all your maintaince it is cheaper.
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I wouldn't be sorry Martinini. It's great when a sailor has the skills and the wits to live cheaply onboard. Even in the expensive cruising grounds of Long Island, there many who have figured it out. Some out of necessity.
There are quite a few free boats out there too whose owners either can no longer afford to maintain or pay storage fees or have poor or declining health. If the owner has no time, and it seems few do, or don't have the knowledge, about donating to organizations that want boats they will abandon boats. Last year, when I was still working in the marina business, in a high end area of Long Island, I had 3 of my customers come to me for help to give their boats away. They had tried selling them or giving them away but had no luck. All three were great boats from 22 feet to 33 feet. I was pretty shocked, these folks suddenly found they were broke and couldn't afford to even transport the boats to their backyards or didn't want to. They had more serious problems and little time to deal with the boats. Finding a free boat in more expensive areas may be a good bet, with some digging and being in the right place at the right time. I must have made 50 phone calls trying to match up boats and folks looking. I was only successful in helping one customer, the other two boats ended up abandoned at the boat yard. Now they're their are the responsibility of the boat yard and the marina/yard was unsuccessful selling them last fall... surprise, surprise and have to keep maintaining them, paying insurance and hope they'll find a buyer or go to small claims court.
My scammer radar went off reading the original post here, but in case I was wrong, I was willing to offer what help I could, which unfortunately was next to none.
(I did call the marina about those two boats, but they are not interested in giving those abandoned boats away for a myriad of reasons, the least of which are title issues).
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I would not assume that the OP's post was any kind of a scam, there are a lot of people having trouble out there, and a lot of people who have been evicted from their homes, had cars repossessed, etc, it isn't that uncommon.

In May of 2009, 9.12% of people with home mortgages were late with their payments, that's almost one in ten, that means for every 100 people you know who have a mortgage, 9 of them are late on their mortgage payments. There are hundreds of thousands of foreclosures every month in the United States right now, it happens to a lot of people, real people losing real homes. The auto repo man is so busy that lien holders are having problems finding people to do repossessions.

What are the chances of people who are losing everything being here on Sailnet ? I'd say the chance is pretty good, there are probably quite a few people having very serious financial troubles here, people who have lost their retirements, their homes, losing or have lost their boats, businesses, everything. I'm sure there are plenty of people roaming these forums who aren't getting a good night's sleep right now.

These are the kinds of things that happen to people you know, just as common as it was to hear of people making hundreds of thousands of $us (or millions, or more) when prices were going up, those same people are the ones losing everything now. Over the past few years, how many times did you hear from people you knew saying these famous last words, "We refinanced and bought ..." or "We made $$$$ in the stock market ...", those same friends of yours are now late on their mortgage payments, losing their retirements, etc, they're just not out boasting about it.

What are you pretending not to know ?

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TiarasWake, if you are is really interested I know of a 1962 Dickerson Ketch on the Magothy River that is available for free.
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My take on it is this. If she really were in such dire straits, why would she not give the basic information on what kind of boat it is, and see if some of us could help repair it. IMHO, that is a far more reasonable suggestion than asking for a free boat that is big enough for FOUR PEOPLE to live on.

The fact that she gave NO INFORMATION about the boat is a big red flag to me. The fact that she was posting all the "sob story" stuff but no fact of any import is a big warning flag...since that is often a tack taken by scammers. The fact that she's new to sailnet is another warning flag—she has no history of posts here to base what she says on. The fact that she's willing to put two toddlers at risk is another false note. Finally, the fact that she's backed off in light of people asking hard questions is a big warning flag.

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Wow - save for one post, this thread sure did a 180 into the light! Nice work everyone! And Chuckles - you are seriously the man!
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Smack, I'd like to point out that tone is very hard to read on the internet. I think a lot of people were raising questions and discussion points out of concern, not belligerence. Some posts were rather mean spirited, but I think most showed a genuine concern for the family involved- both for their present situation and for the future.

I hope they are ok and that things turn around for them. Chuckles is always the man.

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