Liveaboard Family Looking for a Miracle

[tager]

Originally Posted by Winderlust

tager,

You sound like MacGyver. I hope you're not saying we could all get our standing rigging replaced for something like $40 and the fact that you did it once, you don't mean to say: you'll be able to duplicate the bargain the next time you need it replaced. Which maybe sooner than normal.

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Let's see: if the stove goes out, its the same. If the refer goes out, the same, the toilet same, Paying the utilities, same. Replacing the $40 rig, the $50 diesel, the thruhulls, the nav. lights, the any other boat part or system, Not the same! An apartment doesn't have them. As for the roof, that's the landlord's.
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You can take any logical shortcut you want to justify the economics of a live-aboard, but it's just self delusion. Why encourage it?

First of all. I bought galvanized rigging at an industrial supply house and did the splicing myself. Total cost for turnbuckles, galvanized wire, thimbles, shackles, and stainless forestay?

$40

Like I said before. And my galvanized rigging, I assure you, WILL LAST LONGER than any stainless job.



I am not taking any shortcuts justifying the economics of living aboard. I already showed you numbers, symbols which follow the rules of logic! Living on a boat is only expensive if you want it to be! Seriously, I don't see a single shortcut in that logic.

The rent is lower. The maintenance is actually quite low. I see boats all the time, that have had zero maintenance in ten years, that are way better than a tent. I don't think I am deluding myself or anyone else!

BOATS ARE ONLY EXPENSIVE IF YOU SPEND MONEY ON THEM!

Geez people.

[wind_magic]

Originally Posted by tager

BOATS ARE ONLY EXPENSIVE IF YOU SPEND MONEY ON THEM!

Geez people.

Tager, I'm TOTALLY there for you, I agree with you.

But I think what some of the others are saying is that if you just threw two random people out there who didn't know a single thing about anything, and you said have at it, one lives on land, the other one lives on water, it is much more inexpensive in all ways (time, energy, money, learning curve, etc ...) to live on land than it is on water. You don't drown on land, your cardboard box in the park doesn't sink destroying the possessions you have, etc, you can just walk from one place to another on land but on the water you need a dinghy.

It is less expensive for YOU to live on the water because over time you have become optimized through your continuous investment of time and energy to be extremely efficient at living on the water, YOU can spend 40$us to install your own rigging, because YOU tager are THE MAN and you ROCK! But had you taken a different course in life, you could have spent that same time and energy learning how to do roofing, putting up dry wall, and all the rest on a house just as easily (I suspect you probably know how to do that too, but pretend you weren't so gifted and see it from another point of view). Learning to find a free boat, anchoring it, using a dinghy, sustaining yourself, etc, yes it can all be free, but is it easier and less expensive than going to live with your parents ?

[chall03]

Originally Posted by delan

Ok I know I'm off topic, but where I come from, the word respectfully is usually followed by "I beg to differ" or " I have to disagree"
Saying "respectfully, you're full of crap" is redundant, you're obviously showing no respect.
You may as well say "shut up, you f****ng moron"
Just let it out, if that's what you're thinking.
Respectfully, JD.

I'm not where you come from.....

I do like to talk plainly, if I disagree with someone I would prefer to just come out and say it.........I intentionally added respectfully in an attempt to show Tager, that It wasn't personal, or an attack on him.....but I do strongly disagree with what he was saying. Honestly?? I would say happily say the same thing honestly to my Dad.

Really coming down to it telling someone their talking Crap and saying I beg to differ is stating the same point isn't it???

Now 'shut up. you f**** moron' I think is quite different from what i said, and no it wasn't what I was thinking. What I was thinking was Tager respectfully( as in no offense intended, dont take it personally) I think your talking crap....

Obviously it didn't work cause he, and apparently now you did take it personally. so I do apologize, it wasn't mean't that way.

Tager, if you are truly living aboard as frugally as you state then good luck to you. You state in another thread that your tender is 'a piece of foam', I would love you to elaborate!

[tager]

Elaborating.... my tender is a peice of foam.

Wind magic. Thank you for approaching this so amiably. I have to say that I wholeheartedly agree. To the average man and woman, living on land is better, which is why most people do. I concede my point that living on water is cheaper than living on land, but I will say that for ME it is cheaper. For the OP it may be cheaper as well. I just want people to accept that living on water is not GPS units and Santana DVX Champagne all day every day. It can be cheap.

Challo3. I am not talking crap. I am talking from personal experience. I live on my own boat. The outlay for my boat was less than first, last, and deposit at a small apartment in my area. I also pay less in rent than somebody in an apartment. So I am not talking crap.

[Winderlust]

Magic,

I like the way you think

[chall03]

Okies.

Like






or more like this kind of foam?

[chall03]

And on your piece of



You are able to plane through anchorages in all wind conditions??
Carrying provisions and friends to your boat?

[tager]

The latter! No, of course my chunk of foam does not plane, especially not in all conditions! Ha! Yes, of course it carries provisions and friends!

I really hope that you enjoy your "daring adventure". While blindly falling for yacht magazine dogma, like boats being expensive, and needing a dinghy that planes in "all wind conditions." A thing which, I assure you, does not exist.

[chall03]

Hey Tager,

Like I said above if your living that frugally and it is working for you then seriously I think that is great.

Now for what it is worth, my boat is a 27ft 1975 aussie design.....I only read one yachting magazine, not coincidentally the only one not full of of big pretty boats.

My dinghy doesn't plane either, I consider it a good day if it floats. It USED to be a 2.4m Zodiac in it's day. It is now a shadow of it's former glory and probably only a small step up from foam

I still want to see the world one day, or a large portion of it.........by yacht. For a man of my means to be able to do that then it will have to be a shoestring affair.

[Coolstr85]

first off. as an outside source i think chall03 saying tager was talking crap was a little rediculous. I wont get into the what is cheaper living on land or a boat in this particular situation thing. but go over to the liveaboard magazine forums and search around for the what is cheaper threads. There are NUMEROUS accounts of people (with documented numbers and stories) who are proving it is cheaper to live on their boats than on land. Granted its not always the case and maybe its usually cheaper to live on land. But saying that tager is talking crap when there are hundreds of people who have run the numbers and save money by staying on their boats seems rediculous.

just my opinion.