share with me, your words of wisdom - Page 4 - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > General Interest Forums > Cruising & Liveaboard Forum > Living Aboard
 Not a Member? 


Like Tree18Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #31  
Old 06-01-2012
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 107
Thanks: 0
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Rep Power: 5
waterwks4me is on a distinguished road
Re: share with me, your words of wisdom

At 23 years old I lived aboard a Ranger 29 for 7 years. I had a job but was definitely poor and what was needed for the boat was on a priority list but did pretty well keeping up with mantainance. I wouldn't change a thing if I could do it all over again. I cruised the Bahama's and Florida Keys on a barebones budget. Just do it and take it on as a learning experience and try to prepare yourself as much as possible in any adventure you decide to do. Read alot from people that already have done it. If you wait with the expectations of I will be in a better financial situation down the road, you may never do it. I say go for it!!
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #32  
Old 06-02-2012
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Jacksonville Beach, FL
Posts: 52
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 2
jaymckay is on a distinguished road
Re: share with me, your words of wisdom

thanks guys
i started my second job and 14 hr work days suckkk.. but its all for the good hope.
i agree with the knowledge of tools and the insurance. knowing florida is high rate for that ill spend more time contemplating it.

waterwks4me. sounds like the kinda person i am.. i will be cruising in that area and it will probably be on low cost budget.. as for now ill work my feet off till i get enough $ to obtain a nice older boat.. i practice as much as i can in my dinghy , setting points of travel to see if i get there.
i do.
still dont know what type of boat would be good for me.. im thinkin shallow draft or swing keel with plenty of headroom are main concerns.. along with hull quality.. dont want a blistered, cracked hull. i dont mind working on electricity or plumbing and while the whole haul out thing is necessary, its skeptical in purchasing a boat... wouldnt want it to be a waste of money.. should i hire a legit survey for my purchase or just research what to look for in an old boat.. like read don caseys this old boat ?
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #33  
Old 06-02-2012
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Jacksonville Beach, FL
Posts: 52
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 2
jaymckay is on a distinguished road
Re: share with me, your words of wisdom

capt aaron:
let me know when youy get back from out at sea because i will be interested in looking at it.. ill need to take a few days off but itll be worth it. we'll conversate more on temporary residence while im down there, ha because4 itll only be for a few days,

i wanna try to camp out on the columbia and if i like it enough, set a deal with ya and start cleanin her up.
but i would need a dinghy to get to and from land.. hmmmm
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #34  
Old 06-02-2012
Capt.aaron's Avatar
KNOT KNOWN
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Guanaja, Bay Islands, Honduras
Posts: 1,320
Thanks: 1
Thanked 19 Times in 19 Posts
Rep Power: 3
Capt.aaron is on a distinguished road
Re: share with me, your words of wisdom

I'll let you know. It will be thursday. There is another boat in Marathon with a swing keel that I pass by every once and a while. I remeber it being cheap. A swing keel in the Key's opens up 1000's of square miles of amazing cruising I can't even begin to tell you. As for Columbia, you can Kayak to it, and I have four sit on top's. Every time my wife and I have lent a kayak to someoone on the anchorage it has some how gone missing (3times) Our Kayaks are a part of our Charter bizz, but if your only here for a few day's I can probably swing something for you. If you have a little rowing dingy or canoe, anything that floats like that, you can get out to it. A survey would cost more than what I'm asking for this boat. It has some superficial gelcoat cracks on one side, but I can give you a detailled history of the boat and we have a very reputable surveyor down here. Send me a private message and we can discuss all this stuff in details.
__________________
" Some are boat wise and some are other wise"
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #35  
Old 06-02-2012
bljones's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: South Coast Ontario
Posts: 8,075
Thanks: 31
Thanked 68 Times in 61 Posts
Rep Power: 7
bljones has a spectacular aura about bljones has a spectacular aura about
Re: share with me, your words of wisdom

Quote:
Originally Posted by jaymckay View Post
just research what to look for in an old boat.. like read don caseys this old boat ?
That's a good place to start, BEFORE you start seriously boat shopping. Buy Casey's book and read it. Especially the first three chapters or so. Re-read those chapters. Carry the book with you everywhere, even as you're walking down docks looking and dreaming. You'll learn how to kick tires with a critical eye- with the book in hand, when you see something that catches your eye, you'll have a quick reference.
The book is also a prop. liveaboarders and marina rats are by nature curious, and some are borderline paranoid. They see a young guy amilessly roaming the docks, they see trouble. They see a young guy roaming the docks with a Casey book in his hand, that's different. That's a future member of the club. It may mean that somebody invites you to check out their boat, gives you tips you wouldn't have gotten otherwise, and might even turn you onto a boat for sale you hadn't heard about.

A piece of advice given to me when I started boat shopping years ago is to look at at least 5 boats you KNOW you DON'T want before you start getting serious. Too small, too big, too much draft, too expensive, ugly, whatever, but make sure they are boats that don't appeal to you at all...not even a little. That way, you get your inspection skills sharpened without running the risk of falling in love with the first boat you see.
__________________
It's 5 o'clock somewhere:


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #36  
Old 06-02-2012
therapy23's Avatar
Back to just the Jon boat
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 906
Thanks: 0
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Rep Power: 7
therapy23 is on a distinguished road
Re: share with me, your words of wisdom

Quote:
Originally Posted by Harborless View Post
Let me be your Jedi master friend. I am 24, living on my first sailboat which I bought as a project, and am also pretty poor, monetarily speaking. First off, for the money your talking the boat you buy should be pretty much ready to go. Im serious. This is a buyers market and for $6,000 you should be able to find a 26-28' boat that is well equipped and for the most part ready to go say for minor things and cosmetics.
Or, you can do what I did.
You can spend $2900 on a boat you find off craigslist and you can buy that boat and realize you now have to rebuild practically the whole thing--- Having completed 2/3 of the entire process let me tell you that I have far exceeded $6,000.

So, you want to know my best piece of advice? Seriously?

Know what your looking at. Then, once you know, figure out if its in working condition. Lastly, if it is not, figure out how much it will cost to make it that way.

Now add up all of those costs and decide if the boat your looking at is worth it.
Look man, I've got ox will power too but I can say in a second that if I could go back knowing now what I didn't then I would have waited on a boat that was in better shape and required much less in renovations.
Here, please friend don't take my advice alone. I have done a shabby job of taking pictures of the entire process. I have left out a hundred or more pics of things I just neglected to take pictures of but here is my photobucket account. Please look through it, it has a lot of things you will find in the at your price range-- Such as what old sea cocks look like, bad wiring, corroded mast, bad standing rigging, before and after shots yadda yadda- good resource for a guy with your level of experience and depth of pocket.

Pictures by trisstanseth - Photobucket

You do not need classes. Understand your points of sail and sail trim and READ. READ lots. This and other websites are great and I learned a lot from them but the value of a Chapman or American Practical Navigator is not to be underestimated. Read stories of when things go wrong- That way if something similar should happen to you hopefully you will be able to get yourself out of the sticky situation.
Had I not read Voyaging Under Sail I probably would not have been so quick to alternate my tack after losing a chain plate in 20 knots, nor would I had probably been so quick to think to run my Jib line through the turnbuckles and then winch the line under the toe rail to support the mast.
So, read, read, and read some more. Also, go to your marina and look for the guys working on their boats. Ask questions, ask to look around. If you see something you don't know ask. This goes back to point one.
Point in case- I saw when I looked at my boat that the bottom 4" of my keel stepped mast was corroded. What I didn't realize at the time was that corrosion was a structural deficiency that would require me to take the entire mast out of my boat (haul out fees), chop off the corroded portion, re sheathe it (welding fees), and drop it back in. Whoops- Did not know what bad standing rigging looked like- mine looked good until you see the hairline cracks or the one or two strands of broke stainless thread sticking out signifying the need for an entire new rig set- up ($1500.00).
Do you know what a weathered main looks like? Can you tel if your sails are in good condition? I thought mine looked fine- did not know what UV damage looked like. First time I raised it in 20 knots it ripped the entire main. New main = $900.00
Does the electrical equipment work? That stuff gets pricey fast-- Since I am young and poor I bare bones it. No AC, no refrigeration. I have three cabin fans, 4 cabin lights, some gauges and meters and a solar panel with inverter for running my laptop and cell phone charger. The cost of setting that up? $1200.00.
Will your boat need a haul out? $150.00. Does it need to be painted on the bottom? First lets hope no barnacles have eaten through the gelcoat. $$$.
See, I can go on and on and on but it all comes down to knowing what to look for. See, I thought I had a good idea but NOW I KNOW. I know every nut and bolt of this boat and I still have issues (run away diesel at times, head sink pump not working, ice box doesn't self drain, main still shredded, cabin portholes needed, line, rode, EPIRB, not to mention a passport to even go somewhere.

Heres what I would do. I would either get a friend who KNOWS boats to go with you when shopping.
Or, I would pay a surveyor to survey any boat you were serious about buying.
Last, I would PM me or someone else here and ask very detailed questions with pics included if possible so I or someone else here can help you avoid making the same mistakes I, and I am sure others, have.

Good luck
Truly words of wisdom.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #37  
Old 06-03-2012
Tomasailing's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: presently Essex UK
Posts: 11
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
Tomasailing is on a distinguished road
Re: share with me, your words of wisdom

Quote:
Originally Posted by bljones View Post
The desire to be independent is hardwired. ......
I am not quite so sure about that..
Just look at the number of people who go to football games or follow the WBA series.. It always seems to me, those people want to be part to a crowd.. the antithesis of the desire to be independent...??
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #38  
Old 06-03-2012
CaptainForce's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: living aboard since 1972
Posts: 1,654
Thanks: 0
Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts
Rep Power: 9
CaptainForce will become famous soon enough
Re: share with me, your words of wisdom

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomasailing View Post
I am not quite so sure about that..
Just look at the number of people who go to football games or follow the WBA series.. It always seems to me, those people want to be part to a crowd.. the antithesis of the desire to be independent...??
I see two sides to this. The independence that many seek may not be being alone, but the capability to provide for your necessities without aide. I strive for self-sufficiency, but enjoy camaraderie.
Capt.aaron likes this.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Take Care and Joy, Aythya Crew
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #39  
Old 06-03-2012
Capt.aaron's Avatar
KNOT KNOWN
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Guanaja, Bay Islands, Honduras
Posts: 1,320
Thanks: 1
Thanked 19 Times in 19 Posts
Rep Power: 3
Capt.aaron is on a distinguished road
Re: share with me, your words of wisdom

Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainForce View Post
I see two sides to this. The independence that many seek may not be being alone, but the capability to provide for your necessities without aide. I strive for self-sufficiency, but enjoy camaraderie.
The times I've spent anchored for a few months out in some back country wilderness area, I start out missing the bar and town, then I'm good for a while, then I miss town again. When I get back to town, I miss the wilderness and quiet, then I'm ok for a while, then I can't wait to get back out there again. Round and round it goes.
__________________
" Some are boat wise and some are other wise"
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #40  
Old 06-03-2012
therapy23's Avatar
Back to just the Jon boat
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 906
Thanks: 0
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Rep Power: 7
therapy23 is on a distinguished road
Re: share with me, your words of wisdom

Quote:
Originally Posted by Capt.aaron View Post
The times I've spent anchored for a few months out in some back country wilderness area, I start out missing the bar and town, then I'm good for a while, then I miss town again. When I get back to town, I miss the wilderness and quiet, then I'm ok for a while, then I can't wait to get back out there again. Round and round it goes.
When talk like that I am told that I need help. I am told I need to find a way to be happy where I am. I am told it is not normal. I am told ........well........lots of things.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
share with me, your words of wisdom jaymckay Living Aboard 0 04-28-2012 02:26 AM
Chesapeake to Bermuda - share your wisdom rockDAWG General Discussion (sailing related) 17 05-17-2011 10:53 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:33 AM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012