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Dean101 06-24-2012 09:51 AM

Question about liveaboard/anchoring regulations
 
I've read several threads here that discuss the increasing difficulty in finding live-aboard friendly marinas and anchorages here in the US where you won't be harrassed by government agencies. Without getting into the specifics of why this is so, I have two questions.

1. Do other countries have similar problems with restricting boaters from anchoring or cracking down on live-aboards?

2. What groups could I support here in the US that are serious about lobbying for boaters' rights to live aboard their vessel?

I realize this post is rather general in nature and I apologize for not being more specific. I'm really not sure how to phrase the questions without opening a debate on the "why's" of regulations and laws. Thanks for the patience.;)

SVAuspicious 06-24-2012 10:10 AM

Re: Question about liveaboard/anchoring regulations
 
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Originally Posted by Dean101 (Post 888341)
2. What groups could I support here in the US that are serious about lobbying for boaters' rights to live aboard their vessel?

Seven Seas Cruising Association: ssca.org

Dean101 06-24-2012 10:25 AM

Re: Question about liveaboard/anchoring regulations
 
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Originally Posted by SVAuspicious (Post 888344)
Seven Seas Cruising Association: ssca.org

Thanks, I will check them out? :)

Capt.aaron 06-24-2012 12:35 PM

Re: Question about liveaboard/anchoring regulations
 
The problem is boat bums. Down here in the Key's there are a bunch of drunks and pill popp'n theives living on deralict vessels. They make it hard for live aboard sailors to have a voice. The law's they are putting in place as we speak to get rid of those scumbags is transfering over to us. These people are breaking lose from anchor and hitting power lines or washing up in home owners yards. They are pooping in the water and are basically an eye sore when you look out on the anchorage. Your average land lubber can't see the diff. between salty dude and boat bum. Worse is when the city commision has a meeting to address the issue, those A-holes show up at the court house and protest, doing them selves and those of us who who should be out there a huge dis-service! The cops that enforce the law's are just land lubbers on a skiff for the day, so they don't know what they are looking at when they see it. It's very frustrating.

Dean101 06-24-2012 11:48 PM

Re: Question about liveaboard/anchoring regulations
 
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Originally Posted by Capt.aaron (Post 888370)
The problem is boat bums. Down here in the Key's there are a bunch of drunks and pill popp'n theives living on deralict vessels. They make it hard for live aboard sailors to have a voice. The law's they are putting in place as we speak to get rid of those scumbags is transfering over to us. These people are breaking lose from anchor and hitting power lines or washing up in home owners yards. They are pooping in the water and are basically an eye sore when you look out on the anchorage. Your average land lubber can't see the diff. between salty dude and boat bum. Worse is when the city commision has a meeting to address the issue, those A-holes show up at the court house and protest, doing them selves and those of us who who should be out there a huge dis-service! The cops that enforce the law's are just land lubbers on a skiff for the day, so they don't know what they are looking at when they see it. It's very frustrating.

Your description of part of the problem is one of the reasons I asked the second question. I'm sure there are better ways of taking care of that type of problem than just banning everyone from living on their boat. There are people even as I type this that are living in their campers. Do we start fining campgrounds for harboring such despicable criminals? It just seems that governments solution is to throw more laws at the problem and I'm really curious if other countries do the same or are they more tolerant of the boating community. Judging from some experiences that have been shared in this forum it sounds like the big bully (government) is trying to trample on the little guy without regards to whether or not it is justified.

Capt.aaron 06-25-2012 12:11 AM

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I have lived all over the Western Caribbean on the hook and the gov's. there could care less. They have real problems to worry about. It's an up tight, upper middle class with an ocean view, pompus, cut the shrubs straight, move to a bar district and complain about the noise, buy a house on the water and complain about the boats in the bay, land lubb'n, dare I say Yankee attitude. I grew up on the hook in the Key's and as the mangroves came down and the neighborhoods went up, we were told to move along. It is alway's some p-whipped dudes wife from some up tight snow bird community complaining. Add boat bums to the equation and it's almost hopeless. They are trying to pass a law, no engineless vessels alowed to anchor. I don't have an eng. by choice. Friggin land lubbers should'nt be allowed to even look at the water! ( I kid) No offense intended, but that's how it is down here, has been for 30 years.
And the boating community else where consits of local fisherman and us, so it's different.

Dean101 06-25-2012 12:31 AM

Re: Question about liveaboard/anchoring regulations
 
Pompus posteriors positively provoke me to puke!!:puke Instead of entitlement, some people need a dose of enlightenment! I'm glad to hear that the Caribbean is much more relaxed about such matters. It sucks to have to deal with people like that.:(

souljour2000 06-25-2012 12:32 AM

Re: Question about liveaboard/anchoring regulations
 
I have been keeping sailboats in Sw Florida on anchored moorings for 7-8 years now...Seen the types of boats/boaters anchored out from Ft Myers to Clearwater and can say it is not just the boat bums here in Florida who are screwing things up..It is also the guy who comes down from michigan or jersey every winter and one day sees a cheap sailboat or cabin-cruiser for sale,buys the boat and leaves it here on the hook thinking he can really start fixing up the fixer-upper he bought for 1000 bucks next winter...and fulfillthe lifelong dream...But he runs low on cash and Mom is sick in Jersey or Saginaw and he heads back up north thinking that Florida "doesn't have much of a winter" and when he finds out the boat sank and the local watercops are looking for him he dissapears back up north or to another part of Florida...It's not all the fault of the "boat bums" ...at least not here in SW FLA but they probably do deserve a good share of the blame...

Capt.aaron 06-25-2012 12:35 AM

Re: Question about liveaboard/anchoring regulations
 
Those guy's are one step above boat bum and def. a big part of the problem.

Dean101 06-25-2012 12:42 AM

Re: Question about liveaboard/anchoring regulations
 
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Originally Posted by souljour2000 (Post 888565)
I have been keeping sailboats in Sw Florida on anchored moorings for 5 years now...Seen the types of boats/boaters anchored out from Ft Myers to Clearwater and can say it is not just the boat bums here in Florida who are screwing things up..It is also the guy who comes down from michigan or jersey every winter and buys a boat and leaves it here on the hook thinking he can really start fixing up the fixer-upper he bought for 1000 bucks next winter...and fulfillthe lifelong dream...So he runs low on cash and Mom is sick in Jersey or Saginaw and he heads back up north thinking that Florida "doesn't have much of a winter" and when he finds out the boat sank and the local watercops are looking for him he dissapears back upnorth or to another part of Florida...It's not all the fault of the "boat bums" ...at least not here in SW FLA but they probably do deserve a good share of the blame...

I'm sure it's not but it's my opinion that these bozo's in office get paid a pretty good salary to figure out fair and equitable ways of solving problems. Until they do, individuals from the Coast Guard or DNR will have to continue to be the bad guys. After all, they're just enforcing the will of those voted into office, which may or may not be the will of the people. Like they say, money talks...;)


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