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Re: Opposition to liveaboards

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It seems that there are basically to class of liveaboards:

The ones that went to live in a boat because that's the only way they had to finance a boat and get away with their dream, meaning to sail to wonderful paces and voyage.

The ones that chose to live in a boat because that's cheaper or a better option regarding to live in a house. These ones are not necessarily sailors neither they sail or voyage except occasionally when it is needed or demanded by the marina.>
I think you are missing the obvious class of people that simply prefer to liveaboard their boat, over being a landlubber. Put us in this category. While I would prefer to have no expenses either way, if I have to choose, I would rather need a new set of sails over a new roof any day. With the sails, I can't wait to get out and give them a run. I'm not having a party waiting for the next time it rains with a new roof.
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Re: Opposition to liveaboards

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I think you are missing the obvious class of people that simply prefer to liveaboard their boat, over being a landlubber. Put us in this category. While I would prefer to have no expenses either way, if I have to choose, I would rather need a new set of sails over a new roof any day. With the sails, I can't wait to get out and give them a run. I'm not having a party waiting for the next time it rains with a new roof.
Maybe you are right but I guess that there are sailors that have money for new sails, several boats and several houses (I am not one of them)

Anyway, living exclusively in a boat, being it a small small boat or a yacht is always a personal choice that can be motivated by money or personal choice.

That term, landlubber is a term I don' like. Do you think that the best world sailors are landlubbers? They stay many months on the sea, living in a boat, like the ones that are doing the Vendee Globe, but they do not live in a boat. They have a house in land. Landlubbers? I don't think so.

Landlubber? If we compare the ones that lives in a boat and rarely sail to the one that lives in the boat some months a year and travel thousands of miles, who do you think is the landlubber?

Maybe we should call the first docklubbers?

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Wow, has this thread gone off track. If folks are objecting to others' behavior that is affecting their property or quality of life--if that is the case--that isn't envy.

Folks who live ashore on the waterfront and are paying inflated taxes have a legitimate complaint when someone appears in view that--in effect--is is not equitably responsible for the cost of public services. That applies to the land side, as well.
Folks living on the waterfront often have problems grasping the concept that there is a point where what they own ends, and that they don't own the entire ocean, within their view. Do they also consider it their right to put up a road block at both ends of the block, to stop anyone from driving on their private road, theirs because it is in their view, and thus their property? That would be the same logic, or lack of logic. They also sometimes have trouble grasping the concept that those swinging to an anchor shouldn't have to pay for the huge increase in comforts and services which they are paying for, which those swinging on a hook don't get provided so conveniently. Some also have trouble grasping the concept of supply and demand, in that the fact that they choose a squandering lifestyle and type of home which a huge portion of the human population demands, automatically means the price is higher.
Complaining that those on the hook are needing less, and are thus enjoying the freedom which that gives them, having lighter demands, and thus a smaller environmental foot print, is pure envy , plain and simple.
Such complaints imply that everyone should be forced to live a lifestyle of squanderism, which would take several more planets to sustain, and that not squandering their kid's future is immoral, and should not be allowed.
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Re: Opposition to liveaboards

I find it of interest that, although I have lived aboard for more than forty years, marina managements don't often classify me as a liveaboard. We regularly revisit about thirty ports from Maine to the Bahamas, often anchor out and often stay at marinas. Even when we stay at a marina for the monthly rate for one to three months we are not classified as liveaboards because we are soon to be gone. I certainly don't agree with the earlier post that suggested that liveaboards are those that are choosing to either live cheaply or are forced to find livingaboard as an only option. I also agree with earlier posts that some ports are so impacted with moorings that anchoring is very limited, but my obsevations are that the great majority of these moorings (on my familiar East Coast US) are not occupied by people living on their boats.
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Re: Opposition to liveaboards

Is a person who is on a boat from November through March living on it considered a liveaboard if the boat moves?

Docklubber+1- you coined a new English term Paulo I like it
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That term, landlubber is a term I don' like. Do you think that the best world sailors are landlubbers?....
A sailor of any kind can not be a landlubber, by definition. Most think the term refers to someone who lives on land. This is the correct definition from Webster's:

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/ˈlændˌlʌbɚ/ noun. a person who knows very little or nothing about the sea or ships : a person who is not a sailor
So a docklubber, if not a landlubber, would be someone who knows little or nothing about land?
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Re: Opposition to liveaboards

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A sailor of any kind can not be a landlubber, by definition. Most think the term refers to someone who lives on land. This is the correct definition from Webster's:

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So a docklubber, if not a landlubber, would be someone who knows little or nothing about land?
Landlubber is a pejorative term and I have seen it used here on this thread to reefer to all that don't live on a boat.

(nautical, pejorative) Someone unfamiliar with the sea or seamanship, especially a novice seaman.

landlubber - Wiktionary

The word *landlubber*, first recorded in the late 1690s, is formed from *land* and the earlier *lubber*. This *lubber* dates from the fourteenth century and originally meant 'a clumsy, stupid fellow; lout; oaf'. By the sixteenth century it had developed the specialized sense 'an unseamanlike person; inexperienced seaman', which is the same sense as *landlubber* and was eventually combined with *land* to emphasize the unfamiliarity-with-the-sea aspect.
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From The Mavens' Word of the Day (October 9, 1997)

Pejorative because it assumes the superiority of those that live on a boat regarding the stupid or clumsy ones, the ones that live on land, sailors or not.

I was just joking regarding the word Docklubbers, I don't like I and try not to be pejorative regarding nobody. I was only pissed by the assumed superiority that some that live in a boat seem to assume regarding sailing, cruising or sea and boat knowledge, towards the ones that live most of the time in land expressed by a pejorative word to refer to them.

I don't consider that you think that way and I was not referring to you when I said that the attitude of some regarding this issue was pissing me

A happy Christmas to you and all around on this thread

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Re: Opposition to liveaboards

No offense taken here.

I do, however, have no problem with judging people unfamiliar with the sea or seamanship. Landlubbers they all be, which may include the yo yo liveaboard that has never removed the docklines.

The liveaboard vids above are very interesting. An amazing collection of junk aboard the first couple, it seemed. No way they ever leave the dock. I would definitely find another marina, if I was tied up next to any of them. Easy to see why marinas often discourage the practice.

We have several full-time but seasonal liveaboards (May to Oct) and you could never tell. The only exception is a folding bicycle left on the dock, in front of one. (even that bothers me a little bit)
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Re: Opposition to liveaboards

I really miss the liveaboard lifestyle. For over 20 years I lived aboard and have fond memories of the many diverse people that I had the privlidge of knowing thorugh those years. I don't know why but I was always hesitate about saying that I was a live aboard. During the latter part of those years, I started a small engineering consulting company which required that I do a lot of traveling, so for maybe a half dozen of those years I was away from the boat for weeks at a time. Plus I had other property that could be used as an address if need be. I remember a fellow that was undergoing a devorce living aboard on a small sailboat at the end of the dock. He had a friend who wrote for the Washington Post that came to the dock to do an article about living aboard. There were quite a few liveaboads at the marina at this time and I think all spoke with him. However I was reluctant and while I did speak with him I did not want my name used. The article came out with pictures and all and wouldn't you know it within a year or two, all liveaboards were given short notice and were requried to leave. Not sure if there was a tie in to the article because of the lag time, but I hated to see people treated this way.

It's been 7 years since I've lived aboard and already have accumulated too much stuff. I think it was refreshing to get rid of 'stuff" and move aboard, but no matter where you live there are always things to explore and do even away from the sea.
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