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10.5 knots !?!?....LOL Not my little boat brother. I can probably hit 7 or so with outgoing tide I'm guessing but not 10. I was fighting it at 3 knots and rough chop for a long time my first trip out. Hopefully this time will be easier with somone more experienced than myself leading the group. I'm excited and looking foreward to it.
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10.5 knots !?!?....LOL Not my little boat brother. I can probably hit 7 or so with outgoing tide I'm guessing but not 10. I was fighting it at 3 knots and rough chop for a long time my first trip out. Hopefully this time will be easier with somone more experienced than myself leading the group. I'm excited and looking foreward to it.
10 knots over the ground - NOT the water LOL. I did it in a 25ft boat my first trip (including sailing all the way around Long Island) as well as 2 trips to Block in my 32' Morgan which is a heavy slow cruiser that usually cruises at 5.8-6knots. If you time the tides so that your boat is going through the Race at peak tide, the current can move at over 4-5knts - add your 6 knots of boat speed and you have 10-11knots over the ground showing on your GPS.

Now you won't be doing 10knots the whole way or even close to it but if you really time it right - which I try to do each year then you can use the tide so much to your advantage. Pick up an Eldridge - it shows current diagrams of the entire Sound showing how fast and where the current is for every hour of the Ebb or Flood.

For example 2 years ago we left Mt. Sinai for Mattituck at 4pm Fri afternoon and did 5.8 knots over the water but 7.5 knots over the ground the whole way to Mattituck inlet making the first leg much quicker. Now in order to make the MOST advantage for the Ebb (all the water in the Sound flowing back out through the Race and into the Ocean) we left at 3:30AM in pitch black the next morning just before slack tide. For the first 45minutes to an hour our boat speed was the same as our speed over ground 5.8 knots but after that hour when the current picked up (and at the eastern end of the Sound it is much stronger than the western part) we were doing 7.5 knots then once we got around Orient Point picked up to 8 - then once we were North of Plum Island 8.5 then 10.5 through the Race (where the tides and currents converge) then 8.5-7.5 for the next hour after the Race with a straight shot to Block. Then once you are out in Block Island Sound the Ebb is most likely ending (6hours) and the current will reverse but at this point if timed right you are past it and shouldn't hit any negative current slowing you down.

So anyway sorry for the long post but was just trying to illustrate how a little bit of planning by using Eldridge and leaving at the right time can make our slow little boats into speed machines for 6-7 hours per day. Where the opposite if you left at the wrong time instead of doing 7-8knots you will only be doing 3knots like you described - over a 6 hour period that is the difference of 30 miles!

I would be more than happy to help plan out the trip though or even go through Eldridge with you for next year. Regardless though I think if we get a lot of boats for this trip we could leave at anytime day or night and still have a lot of fun as there is no right or wrong way in reality.

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Thanks for the explanation. Makes a whole lot of sense now that you put it that way. I'm really a rookie to sailing the east coast. I grew up sailing the Great Lakes where tides are not an issue so I tend to forget about their existence until I'm sailing at a blazing 1.1 knot against them for 6 hours wondering what the heck just happened. LOL
I'd be extatic in all reality if at least a couple of boats met up and we all went together. At least that way we kinda know each other and have a similar itinerary when we raft up. My plan is to get there, fire up the blender and start passing out Margaritas and Mojitos, then maybe take a dip with a speargun on the north end and get us some dinner. Cook on my boat and then we hang out and tell boat stories. But I'm very open to any suggestions as well.
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My time is not always flexible for planning, but if you guys are headed out for Block and the schedule permits, I would love to join you. I am most of the way there, being in Three Mile Harbor in East Hampton, so I would just tag along for the last leg. Keep us posted on your plans.
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We were thinking of stopping in Mt Siani on our trip to Block we are going on to Marthas Vineyard from there on our trip from the Chesapeake. I have beensailing the LI Sound for a few weeks every summer. Isnt it possible to go from Mt Siani to say Greenport or Orient in one long day ( I know you will have the tide against you some of the way) The distance from Port Jefferson to the R2G Bouy at the Plum Gut about 10 miles from Greenport/ Orient is about 42 nm. averaging 5 knots that only about 9 hours. Once in Greenport you wouldnt have to worry about the tides as much on the way to Block correct as you are outside Plum Gut and the Race.? I have never been in Matiak inlet. Is there enough water in there? anchorages, moorings? Just in case we decide to pull in if the Plum Gut tides are ripping against us?

We would love to meet up with some of you on our trip in the Sound this year.

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Hi Dave

Yes you can definitely make it from Mt. Sinai to Greenport in one day and it should only be about 9 hours. I did the reverse trip from Greenport to Smithtown which is further west than Mt. Sinai and I think it was 11 hour total.

Also Greenport is a really nice little place to stop. I don't know when the last time you were there was but a couple of years ago they built a very nice town marina with floating docks and great facilities. It is located right in town with less than a minute walk to some great restaurants, bars, shops and marine stores such as Preston's.

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You would have to round Orient Point but I would suggest passing it and going in further to Greenport as there isn't much to do in Orient at all - really just a residential area with a ferry and a restaurant or two.

You do still have to worry about the tides/currents going from Greenport to Block as even though you are not going directly through the Race or Plum Gut you will still get 2.5-3.5 knot currents on either side of them for quite some distance. However since the trip from Greenport to Block is only about 7 hours you can really use these currents to your advantage. Just leave at slack tide and you will have 2-3 knots of current helping you along the entire way. I did the trip from Block to Greenport 3 years ago in my first boat - a small 25 ft day sailer and after the first hour we did an average of 7.5-8 knots over the ground the entire way to Greenport(the boat only did 5.5-6knots over the water).

Mattituck inlet is another nice option if you are leaving from Mt. Sinai. When we go we usually leave Friday late afternoon (so we get an extra day of vacation after work) and with an ebbing tide we make it "dock to dock" to Mattituck in 4 hours. The inlet itself is very pretty and very quiet and almost feels like a small river down south. At dead low you have about 5 feet of water at the lowest spot so if you draw 5' or more you may want to time your entrance. The inlet winds back and forth for about a mile and you have three options - anchor all the way in the back where it opens up into a little circle. It is very pretty back there but can get tight with a lot of boats making the same stop over point. You can also dink into the marina right there and there is a very good but kind of expensive and fancy restaurant right on the green there. Your second option is to stay at the Marina there which is called Matt-A-Mar Marina but I would make reservations in advance and it can be expensive. The third option which we did last year and really had fun was half way down the inlet there is a kind of run down red building with a small dock attached to it. This is actually a pretty good restaurant that you can sit in or outdoors and get some good and relatively inexpensive food. The dock continues next door where there is a real small marina with a side dock to pull up to. Late afternoon and night no one is there so you can tie up, get dinner and leave early the next morning before anyone arrives all for free. If you want to stay in the morning for a little you just pay the office $40.

If you stay at Mattituck it is really important to time the tide and if you do it right you will rocket to Block in about 7.5-8.5 hours and even getting up to 10.5 knots over ground going through the Race. If you time it wrong and leave against the tide you will be doing 2-3 knots over ground for a good 6 hours. The currents are just really strong in the eastern part of the Sound even when you are not near the Race or the Gut but again this could really help you if you sail with them.

So sorry for the long post but I am sitting inside with snow all around freezing my butt off and thinking about this stuff is the only thing exciting right now lol.

Where do you usually visit in the Sound when you come up? How long have you been coming up here? I sail my Morgan 323 "Capricorn" out of Mt. Sinai and my fiance and I usually travel to a different part of the Sound every weekend whether it is CT or LI so we have been just about everywhere in the Sound. Then once a year we try and do a long trip for a week and half out to Block then either go to Newport or some different ports in RI or eastern CT. I think it would be great if we did get a bunch of us together for a trip like this or if not a long one maybe even a weekend cruise while you are up.

If I can help out in any other way with info or suggestions on routes or ports just let me know.

Thanks and have a good one!
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Mt. Sinai to Orient is quite easy in a day. I once managed all the way from Huntington Harbor to Three Mile Harbor in a day -- about 10 hours. This was with a very strong following wind (and some pretty big waves) but without a spinnaker. The big extra push was timing the currents right before and after plum Gut.
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Hello,

In 2007 I sailed from Mt. Sinai to Montauk, then from Greenport back home to Mt. Sinai a few days later. On a trip like that I will motor if I have to so that I make at least 6 kts. By timing the tides I can average 7 kts SOG. So the trip isn't too bad.

I am looking forward to a trip to Block. I will post again when it gets closer. It would be great if a bunch of us could do it.

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Allright folks...time to put in for vacation for this trip. When are we doing it? I think this decision should be based on when when the best weather window is generally present (those of you lifelong LI Sound sailors would know better than me), also at what month or days of the month are the tides going to be in our favor for the longest period of time during daylight hours so we're not navigating through The Race at night, and last but not least, at a time frame where Block won't be as full as race week or 4th of July... Those of you with advanced plotting software and electronic charts that wanna help out with some calculations I would greatly appreciate it. Maybe use Mt. Sinai as a starting point and plan it from there....also, I have space for one or two crew with experience so I don't have to singlehand it the whole way again.
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We are leaving Baltimore/ Annapolis on July 24th with stops at Reedy Island (Delaware River), Cape May, Barneget Light, and Liberty Landing Marina (Ellis Island) along the way. We should be anchored in Mount Siani on July 28th if the weather is reasonable. Our intent is to make the trip to Greenport or Southport in one day. From there we are ging to see what the weather brings before we plan onward. Our intentions if it is good to go to Cuttyhunk from there then Vineyard Haven (Marthas Vineyard), comming back to either New port or Block before heading back down the Sound. We would love to meet up with some of our LI Sailnet contacts along the way.


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