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So here's the question: What do you do in a boat like that in 60mph winds with no motor. After getting pfd's on etc....leave any sail up?? How do you keep pointing into the waves/wind? or go down wind? Anchor? When do you call a mayday?
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After put on the life vest and head to the mid the middle of the LI sound if you can. Call 911 and notify the authority assuming that you have no VHF. Take jib down, reef the main as small as possible and head to the wind. Most of the daysailers are unsinkable; so lay low, hold on and ride the storm. It will be over soon than you think.

It is easier said than done, therefore practice often in a storm. It helps to improve your survival skills in a very bad one when you need to most.
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The National Weather Service has preliminarily concluded that this storm included a tornado touching down in the Bronx before moving over Long Island Sound. See below:

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NOUS41 KOKX 262001 RRA
PNSOKX
CTZ005>012-NJZ002>006-011-NYZ067>081-272359-

PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY
400 PM EDT MON JUL 26 2010

...EF1 TORNADO DAMAGE CONFIRMED IN THE BRONX...

************************************************** ***************

LOCATION.......................NORTH RIVERDALE IN THE BRONX...ALONG
THE EASTERN SHORE THE HUDSON RIVER.
DATE...........................JULY 25 2010
ESTIMATED TIME.................250 TO 300 PM
ESTIMATED MAXIMUM WIND SPEED...EF1...AROUND 100 MPH
MAXIMUM PATH WIDTH.............100 YARDS
PATH LENGTH....................0.6 MILES
FATALITIES.....................NONE
INJURIES.......................7

A STORM DAMAGE SURVEY TEAM FROM NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY
AND THE NEW YORK CITY OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT CONDUCTED A
SURVEY OF STORM DAMAGE FROM THE AFTERNOON OF JULY 25 2010.

DAMAGE CONSISTENT WITH AN EF1 TORNADO WAS OBSERVED ALONG A PATH
ABOUT 0.6 MILES IN LENGTH. THIS DAMAGE EXTENDS FROM THE HEBREW HOME
FOR THE AGED ON PALISADES AVE. THE TORNADO PROCEEDED IN A
SOUTHEASTERLY DIRECTION TO APPROXIMATELY THE INTERSECTION OF WEST
254TH STREET AND RIVERDALE AVE.

STRAIGHT LINE WIND DAMAGE CONSISTENT WITH A MICROBURST WAS ALSO
OBSERVED IN THE AREA.

THIS IS THE SECOND TORNADO TO TOUCH DOWN IN THE BRONX SINCE 1950.
THE FIRST ONE WAS OBSERVED ON SEPTEMBER 2ND 1974.

THIS REPORT IS PRELIMINARY AND MORE INFORMATION WILL BE DISSEMINATED
AS IT IS RECEIVED.

APPRECIATION IS EXTENDED TO THE NEW YORK CITY OFFICE OF EMERGENCY
MANAGEMENT.

$$

SMITH/CIEMNECKI
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Dawg - why would heading into middle of sound be a safer spot?

Also, what if I only have one reef point? Its probably about 60% of full sail area. Seems prettty scary to me to have that much sail out in the constantly swirly winds in LI sound. At 160mph would be scared of an instant knock down even with a reefed main - and mast/rigging coming down..

Have a furling jib - could maybe let out a tiny amount for some power?
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Just get far away from land and other boats. It will be safer.

If the wind is 160 mph, there is not much you can do except lying a-hull and hope for the best. But I think Sonar will still be floating if nothing slam into her hull. .

It is unlikely a tornado will touchdown on the water (LI sound)
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Yikes! Instantaneous 45 kts. And the crazy thing is, the same-time reading at Execution Rocks, 2 NM away, shows nothing like this gust.
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Not sure how you paste in a pic like that, but if you look at the Sailflow data from Kings Point, it shows about 50. From LaGuardia Airport, it does not even show a peak -- instead the gust line suddenly appears way up high heading downwards. I heard at the time that 62.5 knots was recorded in Manhasset Bay -- have not been down to my club to see what data they have. I've been in 45 knots several times, and this was something completely different.
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We were in a similar situation that same day on our trip up to Long Island. We had just pulled in Barnget Inet NJ and anchored. Our annememoter showe staedy 40 knotss with guists to 60. I kept our engine running but our ROCNA held fast. Tragic, my heart is out to the family. We are now out in Sag Harbor

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My wife and I were in it right outside of the Glen Cove Mansion. I just came from swimming and was down below taking a quick shower. When I came up on deck, my wife had pulled up the anchor and we were off. We could see by the clouds that something was coming, but in no way were we expecting that. I was putting shorts on and decided to put my bathing suit on because I knew I would be getting wet. Years ago, we hit severe weather on our way to Bermuda (on another boat) but this was VERY different. The clouds came over quickly and the thick rain pelted me as I took the helm, it actually hurt. I couldn't keep my eyes open to see much of anything so I put on sunglasses. I told Kate that we needed to wear our life jackets, secure the hatches and to put the hatchboards in. Moments before this happened, she had put the mainsail cover on because she intended to motor back to the marina. The seas were building and the wind kicked up to what felt like 50mph easily. I had to wear her "Jackie Kennedy, bug-eyed" sunglasses just to see what was going on. A few weeks earlier, my gps failed and I hadn't replaced it to this point, so other than the compass, I really had no idea where we were. I could only see a few yards out on either side and only a little past the bow pulpit..everything was just white. I thought for sure that the headsail was going to unfurl or simply shred right off. The depth sounder stopped working and the boat was heeling steadily with 'bare poles' while waves were crashing into us broadside. I tried to turn the boat to weather and head further out into the sound but I couldn't, the wind completely prevented it. I knew there were rocks closer towards shore and that we would surely hit them if we continued on this path. With the motor still floored, I turned to let the wind and current push us from behind for momentum and then turned hard to port, fortunately that did the trick and enabled us to keep the wind on the bow and go up and over the waves. We pounded up and down the waves and stayed securely in the cockpit. The whole experience seemed interminable and I was told that it lasted all of 8-10 minutes. That was the longest 8-10 minutes I've had in a long time. We listened to the maydays in the background and saw beached boats on both Tappen and Bar beach. Needless to say, we were thrilled to be back at the marina when we eventually got there.
My wife will never read a sailing forum so I'm not saying this is for anyone other than myself (and the people reading), but she was a 'rock star' out there. She followed directions to a T, remained calm and did what needed to be done. When I told her she could wait it out down below, she didn't consider it for a moment. I'm a lucky guy to have such a great partner and damn grateful for her.
The next day, she signed up to take a boating safety course and we took a trip to West Marine for a better life jacket for her and my new GPS is on the way.
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