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Re: Starrett-Jenks Morgan45 info-opinions

Talisman:

Good to hear from you!

We are headed for Florida to do several weeks worth of work on the interior to make her habitable, on the fo'c's'le locker and on the windshield/dodger. The windshield is from a '79 Chevy van. We are also considering the hard roof vs. bimini question. I have a radical idea of making a hard roof over the cockpit in the shape of a very shallow garvey (see H I Chappele) so we have an extra dinghy/lifeboat.

We did the tanks as built-into's, i.e. epoxied the interior of the bilge in three sections, including where the engine used to be, and epoxied the sole down permanently over all, with large deckplate access to each, plus the usual fill, tap and vent lines of course. Total capacity is about 300 gallons.

We also added a little "dog house" over the aft end of the cockpit to make a nice little two-berth cabin for kids. Or just storage with easier access than the original afterdeck hatch.

And we extended the ass end by about 22" to a sloped (45 degres) transom. My only aesthetic objection to Mr Morgan's beautiful lines was his vertical standing transom. (I think it was a CCA rule cheat.) Incidentally, a previous post that the OR45 was designed to CCA NOT IOR is spot on. But I would add that the hull design is almost completely uncontaminated by attempts to optimize rating under any rule, except perhaps the aforementioned transom.

The space between the old and the new transoms is our propane (and other flammables) locker, completely sealed from the rest of the boat. And in case you were wondering, the transom slopes back, i.e. NOT reversed as per IOR fashions.

The rig, on the other hand, is definitely a creature of the CCA age.

Ours is a yawl and we plan to keep the mizzen. But the mainmast is too short and the foretriangle too big. We are planning to extend the mast to 60' above Lwl, move both masts for'd by about 2' and bring the forestays aft to about 5' abaft the stemhead.

Yep forestays is plural -- two about 2" apart laterally, a staysail with boom on one, an overlapping jib on the other.

OK, I'll shut up.
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Re: Starrett-Jenks Morgan45 info-opinions

One more thing.

Why do we call our boats 'Starret & Jenks 45's?' They are Morgan's design. Made from his molds.

Do we call a book 'Romeo & Juliet' by Houghton Mifflin?"

It is Shakespeares's Romeo & Juliet, irrespective of who printed and bound it.

So I like to think of ours as a Morgan 45, built by (whomever.)

And on that score, has anyone (other than Jeff H) any concrete evidence that the S&J hulls were built to any lesser standards than the original Morgans?

Granted that many (all, perhaps?) were finished by the buyer and some sloppy work is out there, even keels poured with who knows what, but that could have happened to Morgan as well as S&J hulls.

Jeff's story of one with a concrete keel sounds suspicious to me on these ground: the density of concrete, stuffed with iron scrap is only about 3 (maybe 4) g/cc compared to lead at 11.3. A Morgan 45 with a crap keel like he describes would have only about 4,000 lb of ballast and my estimation is that if launched she would float on her bilge at an angle of about 60 degrees.
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Re: Starrett-Jenks Morgan45 info-opinions

When I replaced my bulkheads, I did get down to the keel. I can confirm, it is lead.
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Looking at the brochures by S&J I now realize that the proper spelling is "STARRATT."
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Re: Starrett-Jenks Morgan45 info-opinions

keforion:
Just hapened to be in the salt creek marina last week to help out a friend that is bound for the USVI this week on his Westsail 32. Took a quick walk around and said to myself that sure looks like a SJ45 but its on steriods. I'm sure it was yours based on what you have posted. Great workmanship. I had to restrain myself to keep from climbing the ladder for a look around. Next time you are in Florida let me know and I'll stop by and say hi. My SJ45 is morred over in the down town Tampa area. As soon as I get time I plan to get Mysti hauled at salt creek and get the bottom done.
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Re: Starrett-Jenks Morgan45 info-opinions

We are beginning a refit on our SJ. I am curious about yard fees, outside labor, markups on supplies, and in general what you experienced with respect to your yard costs. We are currently paying storage on the hard in Hernando Beach, FL (just north of Tampa) and considering if we should move the boat to a yard that doesn't charge a markup or bite the bullet and leave her where she is and pay the fees. Any information you have would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Starrett-Jenks Morgan45 info-opinions

Mysti:

Thanks for the compliment -- assuming you were looking at the right boat. We plan to be in Salt Creek working on Orion from the 3rd through the 25th of June. Please do stop by for a gam and a tour. We will be on-site in a CruiseAmerica RV.

rablack:

I can highly recommend Salt Creek Marina. Great people, rates seem reasonable, DIY allowed. Stop by as well. See above.

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Re: Starrett-Jenks Morgan45 info-opinions

Ok I got a question,

We have 3 of these boats at our Marina. All of them are in storage and I have personally hauled all of them. The keels on the boats in the pictures do not look like the ones here. They look more like the drawing hat was posted. The keels have a flat spot starting at the Guedgon and then taper up to the bow. They are a bear to block as there is only a 2 foot level on the bottom of the keel.

Are yours a different year or what?
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Re: Starrett-Jenks Morgan45 info-opinions

keforion:
I'll make a point to stop by and say hi in June.

Took Mysti out for a turn around the Tampa Bay this last weekend. It was good to get out for a sail. Had decent wind and we had a great time. Redoing the varnish now and hope to have that done over the next few weekends.

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Re: Starrett-Jenks Morgan45 info-opinions

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Ok I got a question,

We have 3 of these boats at our Marina. All of them are in storage and I have personally hauled all of them. The keels on the boats in the pictures do not look like the ones here. They look more like the drawing hat was posted. The keels have a flat spot starting at the Guedgon and then taper up to the bow. They are a bear to block as there is only a 2 foot level on the bottom of the keel.

Are yours a different year or what?
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Capn Dave,
Your keel description sounds like the keel on my boat. I have one of the original Morgan-built hulls. The boat is back in the water now after hauling and painting or I'd include a photo.
Folks at my yard had a similar comment about blocking the boat when I had it hauled for refit. They did use a different 'b' word though
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