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Re: How do you feel about catamarans?

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Also a Catalac 12M survived the Queen's Birthday Storm, at ground zero.

Google it.

It was very impressive as every monohull caught in that same storm rolled, and was dismasted with serious injuries and deaths.
That is patently false, and it does little to further the discussion to spread such blatant disinformation...

I just happen to have a copy Kim Taylor's 1994 PACIFIC STORM SURVEY, published in NZ in 1996. A very in-depth analysis subtitled "The Boats that Survived and the Lessons Learned", featuring firsthand post mortems of approximately 20 yachts caught by the Queen's Birthday Storm. More than half of those monohulls reported nothing more serious or catastrophic beyond a knockdown close to 90 degrees...

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You aren't aware of the Queens birthday storm? The only event in our FRP boating history that caught catamarans and monohulls in the same storm category 5 storm. The result was the event that launched catamaran sales in the 1990s. The rest is history...
2 of the 3 cats in the '94 Storm were abandoned - a much higher percentage than the monohulls that declared Maydays or were abandoned - yet THAT is the "event that launched catamaran sales in the '90s" ???

Seriously? Those early catamaran devotees must have had a curious way of analyzing the numbers, alright... :-)

Multihulls certainly have a great deal to recommend for the type of sailing and cruising many people do today, but if you're talking about sailing offshore, and going the sort of places that interest me, I'll stick with the opinion of the late Sir Peter Blake... He knew a thing or two about sailing both monos and cats in open water, after all:

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For a family cruise, I asked him, what would be his ideal boat?

"It may be different from other people's, but it is a fairly heavy displacement monohull, certainly not one that sits on top of the water and not a multihull. I would not have a multihull as my ideal cruising boat because they do need a fair bit more attention than a monohull. Under extreme conditions if I am on a boat like ENZA, fantastic, it gives you a much better ride than a monohull, but with the family in a 35-40 footer, I'll take the reasonably heavy displacement mono with not too much glass in the cabin sides. People can get fairly well down in the boat, closer to where it pivots. There is a lot less motion and you can get quite a reasonable ride."

- Kim Taylor, 1994 PACIFIC STORM SURVEY, page 53
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I think the main problem with catamarans is that they are, almost without exception, ugly.
My wife would probably love one, she doesn't like heeling. The space would be nice. Their ability to go to wind and their ability to tack would concern me. Perhaps if we were to go for an extended cruising lifestyle they would make sense, but for the sailing I do, I like my mono.
I agree, cat are ugly but roomy and all ladies loves them, and for us (charter co) is very important because are wives managing the wallet
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Re: How do you feel about catamarans?

Checking rates at "my boat insurance quote.co.uk" a catamaran was ~20% higher annual premium then a monohull. All information was the same except for clicking mono or multi. Most insurers would not insure the cat.
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Re: How do you feel about catamarans?

Interesting. My highlight standard is different from yours, Eisberg:

"For a family cruise, I asked him, what would be his ideal boat?

'It may be different from other people's, but it is a fairly heavy displacement monohull, certainly not one that sits on top of the water and not a multihull. I would not have a multihull as my ideal cruising boat because they do need a fair bit more attention than a monohull. Under extreme conditions if I am on a boat like ENZA, fantastic, it gives you a much better ride than a monohull, but with the family in a 35-40 footer, I'll take the reasonably heavy displacement mono with not too much glass in the cabin sides. People can get fairly well down in the boat, closer to where it pivots. There is a lot less motion and you can get quite a reasonable ride."

- Kim Taylor, 1994 PACIFIC STORM SURVEY, page 53


Italics: by the above in italics, I take it to mean that in order to get a reasonable ride in the heavy displacement mono, you have to get 'fairly well down in the boat…'

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Re: How do you feel about catamarans?

HA!, I'll go back and read the thread in a bit but just to answer your question, I can not stand them. Its all good though, sail what ya want. They do have advantages, I will not deny.
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Checking rates at "my boat insurance quote.co.uk" a catamaran was ~20% higher annual premium then a monohull. All information was the same except for clicking mono or multi. Most insurers would not insure the cat.
How can you compare insurance if the insurance company doesn't know the brand they're insuring? Something here doesn't make sense.
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How can you compare insurance if the insurance company doesn't know the brand they're insuring? Something here doesn't make sense.
Or the obvious difference in the replacement value of the boat.
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Re: How do you feel about catamarans?

What difference does it make if the mono is a Beneteau or a Dufour?

What difference does it make if the cat is a Lagoon or a Prout?

If ALL the data is the same: location, value, age, cruising location, no racing, experience, except the number of hulls. The cat is 20% more expensive to insure for the same agreed upon value. If it's insurable that is.

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What difference does it make if the mono is a Beneteau or a Dufour?

What difference does it make if the cat is a Lagoon or a Prout?

If ALL the data is the same: location, value, age, cruising location, no racing, experience, except the number of hulls. The cat is 20% more expensive to insure for the same agreed upon value. If it's insurable that is.
Makes all the difference in the world. Would an insurance company quote a Contessa 26 the same as a Mac Gregor 26 for offshore work? Different manufacturered boats have different risks.
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Re: How do you feel about catamarans?

Tropic Cat you posted "No where in my post do I advocate any thing." You are in your original post advocating catamarans. Spew all you want.
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