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Re: How do you feel about catamarans?

This article seems to be fairly unbiased. I enjoyed reading anyway.

The Ten Commandments of Buying a Catamaran
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Re: How do you feel about catamarans?

Well apart from having a great area to live in, the shallow draft to go lots of places and the fact that you could leave your glass of wine on the table while sailing because they don't hill, I don't quite like Cats.
The hilling capacity of a sail boat it's what lets you know right away the wind picked up and you have to take a reef. If you are cruising around at full sail and you get hit by a squall, your mono hull will hill right away letting you know you have to reduce the sail area immediately. Instead a Cat wont hill as easy, because they are so wide, putting a lot of pressure on your rigging. The reefing on a Cat it's done by the book, so you have to be very aware of the reefing wind characteristics of your cat, for example if the wind strength hits 18knts on your instruments you might not feel a thing but you have to take the first reef, if if hits 25knts take 2d and so on. The problem with this is that some times you might not feel the wind speed changes until it's a little too late and this could jeopardize your rigging. Another thing is the bouncing back and forth and side ways going though the waves. One hull is hit by one wave and the other is hit by a different one pounding the hell out of the hulls.
Another disadvantage on a Cat is your sailing window. On a regular mono hull you can pretty much sail from 30 degrees in to the wind down to practically death down wind. On a Cat you might go up to 45 degrees and 120 down wind, if you do no want it to stop in your tracks and bounce back and forth like a cork.
Then there are minor things like the docking space can be very expensive because of the width and the lack of visibility while doing it.
But don't get me wrong there is nothing like trowing a party on a Cat when you are anchored.
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Re: How do you feel about catamarans?

Some years ago while sailing Mexico, we were out in 40 + Knts doing fine. There was a large Cat out at the same time. They had lots of trouble pointing, and the wind keep pushing them broadside to the waves. I've seen this happen several times to Cat's of different size. Say what you want I'll stick with sailing Mono hull boats, and party with the Cat's.
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Re: How do you feel about catamarans?

I have never sailed on a cat so have no firsthand knowledge. The problem I have with them is, they are so damn ugly to me. when I pull into a marina and there is a cat docked there it is the ugliest boat in the marina. I cant get past the looks to even think of owning one. I hope I don't offend any one, remember this is only my opinion based on what I think looks good.
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Well apart from having a great area to live in, the shallow draft to go lots of places and the fact that you could leave your glass of wine on the table while sailing because they don't hill, I don't quite like Cats.
The hilling capacity of a sail boat it's what lets you know right away the wind picked up and you have to take a reef. If you are cruising around at full sail and you get hit by a squall, your mono hull will hill right away letting you know you have to reduce the sail area immediately. Instead a Cat wont hill as easy, because they are so wide, putting a lot of pressure on your rigging. The reefing on a Cat it's done by the book, so you have to be very aware of the reefing wind characteristics of your cat, for example if the wind strength hits 18knts on your instruments you might not feel a thing but you have to take the first reef, if if hits 25knts take 2d and so on. The problem with this is that some times you might not feel the wind speed changes until it's a little too late and this could jeopardize your rigging. Another thing is the bouncing back and forth and side ways going though the waves. One hull is hit by one wave and the other is hit by a different one pounding the hell out of the hulls.
Another disadvantage on a Cat is your sailing window. On a regular mono hull you can pretty much sail from 30 degrees in to the wind down to practically death down wind. On a Cat you might go up to 45 degrees and 120 down wind, if you do no want it to stop in your tracks and bounce back and forth like a cork.
Then there are minor things like the docking space can be very expensive because of the width and the lack of visibility while doing it.
But don't get me wrong there is nothing like trowing a party on a Cat when you are anchored.
How much catamaran sailing experience do you have?
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Re: How do you feel about catamarans?

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Why the sarcastic response?

First, I apologize. Some post simple questions simply to generate noise. If you are simply curious, I was wrong. However, philisophically, there is a LOT of postings on this subject; I always search before I ask.

But the reason for my irritation is that this sort of question ALWAYS leads to a flurry of sailors that know NOTHING about catamarans giving silly, uninformed opinions. It's just tiresom. Some of the posts were from expereinced folks--I'm not talking about you.

The best answer, particularly if you have limited sailing experiece, is to sail many boats. Likes and dislikes are very personal. I enjoy many boats, both mono and multi.

You mean you don't have to put the helm over on Tuesday in order to tack by Thursday?? ;-)
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Re: How do you feel about catamarans?

It really is disappointing that so many take such a question as a cause or mission to bash a type of boat, especially so in that few have any real experience. Over the past 6 years I sailed my Moody 46 mono some 28,000nm and then my Lagoon 440 some 15,000nm to date.
All sailboats as we know come with pros and cons, and all have advantages in some conditions over another. It all depends on where you are sailing and perhaps budget. You will meet very few full-time cruisers that would go back to a mono but much of that is the comfort for full-time living and ease of movement on deck. One is not safer than another in real terms, although cats are statistically a bit safer. It's more about being a good sailor.
The whole pointing issue is overdone as well since if the cat is sailed well one can go down 10 degrees and still match or exceed the VMG of the higher pointing mono, assuming you are comparing a cruising cat to a cruising mono.
I like them both, I have chose to go cat for now but would not have an issue going back to a good mono, especially in say the Med where marina costs are so high. Also on long passage with short period seas like the Pacific I prefer the motion on a cruising mono over the jerky motion of the cat but upon reaching our destination - the cat for sure
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Re: How do you feel about catamarans?

When I answered the original question about Cats, I did it from a sailing point of view, I know some people get very personal about it if you bad mouth their Cats, but when I go sailing that's exactly what I want to do "sail".
Don't get me wrong I started sailing Hobie Cats for many years, when I was a teen. I had a 14, 16, and a 21 footer and I really enjoyed them, you know why? because they can go on one hull up to 20knts and your adrenalin too. That's what I love about Cats. Now, I get that same feeling going close hauled on a mono hull steering on the leeward side with your leeward reel in the water and looking at the sails with a perfect shape.
Sorry I can't get this with a cruising Cat.
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Re: How do you feel about catamarans?

I learned to sail on a small cat. It turned out to be my first and last multihull.
I would not go further from land than I can swim in any boat that has an escape hatch in the bottom.
I joke about them with a son-in-law calling them catastoramans.
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