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01-10-2007 10:44 AM
kennya John Rousmaniere
(I'm 1/4 Boston, 1/4 Newport, RI. My French ancestor settled in Newport after he came over with Rochambeau to help Americans win the Revolution.)


Careful admitting any French ancestry and deny any knowledge of a water hoses. Gi is out there somewhere
01-10-2007 09:54 AM
johnsail
Why are morning colors at 0800?

Quote:
Originally Posted by sailaway21
I suspect it is more an administrative issue than anything. The navigational day begins at noon but is of no significance to anyone but the mates. There's a trivia thread going here, a couple of pages back, and this would be a good one for it.
That makes excellent sense, sailaway21.
Here's a good summary of the traditional purpose of flags at sea: "The flags used by ships are the heraldry and the traditional language of the sea. For centuries flags were the only form of communication between ships out of hailing distance of one another, and the language of flags was developed to express several different kinds of information."
And this about the ensign and owner's private signal: "[A] ship's colours, like those of a regiment, are the symbols of its honour and identity, and naval history has its share of tales of heroic deeds 'to keep the colours flying.'" -- From Timothy Wilson, Flags at Sea, published by Britain's National Maritime Museum (1986)

John Rousmaniere
(I'm 1/4 Boston, 1/4 Newport, RI. My French ancestor settled in Newport after he came over with Rochambeau to help Americans win the Revolution.)
01-09-2007 07:04 AM
sailaway21 Interesting question John, not sure I know the answer. I'd add that at morning colors there is generally a "formation" of everyone but the off watch, and evening colors consists of just the color guard. I suspect it is more an administrative issue than anything. The navigational day begins at noon but is of no significance to anyone but the mates. There's a trivia thread going here, a couple of pages back, and this would be a good one for it.
01-08-2007 08:48 PM
bubb2 "Thanks for the nice words and the forgiving silence from my fellow southerners (I'm 1/4 Kentucky, 1/4 Texas)"

Dear John

It is great to have you active on the board as you have an insight that many of us sailor's can only wish to experience.

but i am curious 1/4 + 1/4 = 1/2 where the other half from. regards
01-08-2007 05:29 PM
johnsail
Making colors

Thanks for the nice words and the forgiving silence from my fellow southerners (I'm 1/4 Kentucky, 1/4 Texas) ). Maybe someone can answer this: Why does a day on a vessel start at 0800? That's when morning colors are made, meaning that the ensign is hoisted. Maybe it has to do with the morning change of watch at sea. (I've also seen 0900 mentioned in the context of winter in northern latitudes.) Evening colors are made at sunset proper. Colors are fun in areas where yacht clubs are bunched tightly. On a calm morning or evening, the repeated blasts of the cannon echo each other for it seems minutes. Talk about starting and ending the day with due ceremony!

John Rousmaniere
01-08-2007 03:07 PM
lamb0174
Flag etiquette

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Originally Posted by hellosailor
In terms of etiquette? "Permanently" is simply wrong. Correct flag etiquette means raising it in the morning and lowering it in the evening, as well as during inclement weather. Or while engaged in battle, and a few other unusual circumstances.

The modern habit of flying a flag 24x7, lighted at night or not, and just letting it shred in the wind, to me in disrespectful jingoism, not to be confused with flying a flag. If you want it to be there "always" then you paint it on the mast or hull--rather than flying one.
I'd have to disagree with you there. What you mention is the most traditional way of flying a flag, but there is nothing disrespectful about flying the US flag at night or in foul weather as long as it is properly cared for.

US Flag Code
Sec. 6. - Time and occasions for display

(a) It is the universal custom to display the flag only from sunrise to sunset on buildings and on stationary flagstaffs in the open. However, when a patriotic effect is desired, the flag may be displayed 24 hours a day if properly illuminated during the hours of darkness.

(c) The flag should not be displayed on days when the weather is inclement, except when an all weather flag is displayed.

The only caveat I would place with this is that people need to be attentive to the flags condition if they are going to fly it this much. Often people put it up and forget about it. The flag should be inspected frequently and repaired or replaced and properly disposed of (VFW is a good place to bring it) of it becomes damaged.
01-08-2007 02:33 PM
CBinRI
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Originally Posted by GeorgeB
Dear John Rousmaniere,
Are the traditionalists still hanging on to the olí pig sticks? I thought that with wind flys, antennas, and everything else, that the starboard spreader was now the place of honor these days. The big no-no in our club is flying the burgee off the port spreader. I want to thank you again for the lecture you did in conjunction with North Sails a couple of years ago in San Francisco. It was very informative and my wife and I enjoyed it very much. Recently, we also saw your videos of the Annapolis Book of Seamanship for the first time. My, how the yachting attire styles have changed over the past 20 (25?) years.
I came to sailing late in life and have found the Annapolis Book of Seamanship to be a great resource. Thanks, John.
01-08-2007 02:31 PM
T34C johnsail- I think everything is a little better when the descriptions ends with, "...while sitting in a bar."
01-08-2007 02:21 PM
johnsail
Stars and ??

There's a lesson here: Never write about flags at the end of an exhausting week, or while sitting in a bar, or while standing on a stripe, or whatever.

John Rousmaniere
01-08-2007 02:08 PM
T34C I think you might have an issue with both the Jolly Roger and the traditional Stars n' Bars. The Jolly Roger might get you hung from a yardarm somewhere, and the Stars n' Bars was never a flag of the UNITED States of America and thus wouldn't qualify unless you used it as the Captians private burgee.
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