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2 Days Ago 01:33 PM
Re: Annapolis, MD to South FL on ICW & Outside

Originally Posted by KiwiSails View Post
... I would need to allow for marina stops say 30 stays on ICW trip at $40/night...and I assume less say 10 stays on ICW/Outside Run at same rate. On top of this is the usual food, etc, but ignore that. So need to set aside $1100 to $2000k, plus food.

4. Biggest issue will be to get another person to crew, but there are some options to recruit. I am assuming I can get a free person, just pay meals.

Anyway...any input from you knowledgeable folk would be appreciated, as trying to plan ahead of time. Thanks.
I'll leave the route comments to the knowledgeable, but I would like to make a note on the finances.

In your high-level initial calculations, you have not considered transportation to the boat, additional equipment you may need to purchase to go offshore (liferaft rental?), incidentals and offshore insurance.
It all add up. I know that sailing her would be ideal but a lot more stressful at this time due to the schedule, family, learning curve, etc.
Take your time to learn the boat and be more comfortable for future voyages.
Another advantage of moving by truck is that you could have the boat home next week.... so $3.5K may not be so bad...
Just my 2 pennies.
2 Days Ago 10:01 AM
Re: Annapolis, MD to South FL on ICW & Outside

Thanks Gary -

I'm looking forward to the trip.

3 Days Ago 02:23 PM
Re: Annapolis, MD to South FL on ICW & Outside

Dave, there are only a couple bridges that I can think of that would be a problem. Most of the bridges are draw or swing bridges, and nearly all the others are 65 feet or better in clearance. If you do go outside and do some inlet hopping, steer clear of Oregon and Hatteras inlets, both of which are really nothing more than a ditch through the surf and really tricky during tidal changes. Most of the other inlets are doable, though.

As for an adventure, yep, I can almost guarantee the trip will be adventurous, but it will also be a lot more fun than you anticipate. You'll meet some really nice folks along the way, some of which you will develop lasting friendships with.

Good luck,

3 Days Ago 01:29 PM
Re: Annapolis, MD to South FL on ICW & Outside

@FSMike and @travlineasy - Thanks for the responses.. 60' Mast so, bridges could be a real problem on the ICW. She's a 44' Fontain Pajot, cockpit can be fully covered.

I understand that flexibility is key here but - Any guess as to the best way to estimate time?

This is sure to be an adventure...

3 Days Ago 09:10 PM
Re: Annapolis, MD to South FL on ICW & Outside

I hope you have a full enclosure on that cat - mid November is cold in this part of the world. Outside should be OK, especially if the prevailing winds are northwest. You can sail relatively close to the coast.

Good luck,

3 Days Ago 08:47 PM
Re: Annapolis, MD to South FL on ICW & Outside

It's definitely quicker, if for no other reasons than sailing 24 hours a day as opposed to 8-10 hours, and a slightly shorter distance.

Weather can be the problem. A fierce norther can make you wish for shelter, even running down wind on a cat.

While I think of it, most large cats will not clear the 55-56' Julia Tuttle bridge in Miami, so you at least need to go out at Ft. Lauderdale unless you've got a short stick.

I would try to go outside most of the time but keep an eye on the weather and keep your plans flexible.
4 Days Ago 03:12 PM
Re: Annapolis, MD to South FL on ICW & Outside

Hello All -

Ive been asked to crew on a 44' Cat heading south from Annapolis to South FL and then on to Tampa. Ive read through this thread and some other online research, It sounds like it may be quicker to skip the ICW and stay outside the entire distance to Miami? This is a delivery of sorts, the owner will be onboard as well, so its not a sight seeing trip. Getting there as quickly as safely possible is the goal.

The trip will begin in mid November with 4 crew and a Capt.

Anybody mind sharing your thoughts on this approach?

04-04-2013 10:20 PM
Re: Annapolis, MD to South FL on ICW & Outside

All - some great advice.

Jon, your awesome article was one of the ones I found in my search of info recently, it was very helpful.

Also I had read travlineasy thread on his experience on the ICW (which gave me some pause due to the risks eg. Powerboaters wake, running aground, etc)

I must took my distance figures from the coast pilot charts wrong, I believe its in nautical mileage. But total distance is about the same

SVAuspicious is correct we were going to bring some additional fuel cans, to extend the stops. However I had calculated GPH at 1.5 based on the engine HP rating. So that would give me 24 hours running under motor. Not 54-60, I am hoping his number is correct, that would be a major improvement.

I had already decided that I would take the ICW at least to Beaufort for the reasons listed, even with a some pre-sailing experience I would rather play it safe around Hatteras. And nice to hear, that this is a sound option.

Post that assuming all is good, ill look to take outside route at Beaufort down, and will have a look at some of the guides etc.

And, yes true, any plan needs to adjust according to the conditions on the day, I have been caught times before in very changeable conditions in NZ.

Keep in mind, the trip won't be for a few months and in the interim Ill be taking the boat out as much as possible so should be familiar with her after a few solid months of sailing, plus will give me the time to work out any kinks on the boat.

All thanks for the great input, really helps.
04-04-2013 08:33 PM
Re: Annapolis, MD to South FL on ICW & Outside

I haven't done the number of trips south that many here have. But, chucks post above is pretty indicative of how my last trip down to Fla. Went.

Annapolis to Portsmith overnight. The weather outside was frightful..( just a play on xmas song) So we stayed inside and made very good time heading south in the ICW. I think our 1st anchorage was behind Kitty Hawk after pushing a long day. The next day was Ocracoke after a pre-dawn start. We kept checking weather and ocean conditions and didn't get outside until we reached the Cape Fear River. Then 36 hours straight to Jacksonville. We had following seas..and fresh north winds the whole ocean trip ( it was fall)
I don't know if I would have wanted to beat into a SW wind with 8 ft seas.. having it all behind us, was pretty managable though. I had a little jib out and didn't touch it for 24 hours.

So weather and conditions really dictated our route and decision making, and we had plan A, B, and C.. ready to deploy.

So, I think my suggestion would be to be flexible..and keep all your options open, re-evaluate your plan every day..based on the conditions, the crew and the vessel.
04-04-2013 08:05 PM
Re: Annapolis, MD to South FL on ICW & Outside

The answer might be, it will have to be decided when you get there. Even in the time frame you plan, weather will dictate inside or outside. If the weather isn't conducive to an outside run, do you sit and wait until it is or continue south on the inside. We have lost count on how many trips we have done on the ICW from NJ to Key West. There were years when we couldn't get a break and had to do every mile on the inside. There were years when we cruised long stretches on the outside. So you will need to plan for both or one or the other. That's the nature of the trip. Weather, break downs, bridges closed for repairs, will all affect your time in transit. It's a great trip. Too bad you need to do it in such a hurry. Running from sun up to sun down will get tiring very fast. Chuck
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