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05-11-2013 05:50 PM
JonEisberg
Re: buying advice?

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Originally Posted by KPS'08 View Post
Thanks everyone for the advice, links and help. I've got 8 boats ranging from 38-62' that I've inquired about. I'll keep you all posted.
Thanks again
I'd strongly suggest you try to get some time hard sailing time aboard a boat over 50' before seriously considering a boat of that size...

There is a HUGE exponential discrepancy between the bottom and top of your size range... 38' is not too far from the maximum size boat I, personally, would ever care to own... And, I've passed on doing a delivery of a 62-footer, simply because that is way more boat than I care to be responsible for offshore, and sailing boats that can produce forces so in excess of my own physical ability to manage simply frightens me...

Not to mention, do you really think your girlfriend would be up to handling a 62' boat by herself? Because, that's what it might come down to some day in an emergency, and chances are when conditions could be difficult... Always surprises me, how many cruising couples seem to overlook the significant risk being taken, by getting into a size of boat so far beyond the ability of either partner to handle alone...
05-11-2013 05:32 PM
SloopJonB
Re: buying advice?

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Originally Posted by copacabana View Post
Congratulations on the new boat Jon! Post some pics if you can.
Will do, once she's officially mine.
05-11-2013 05:23 PM
copacabana
Re: buying advice?

Congratulations on the new boat Jon! Post some pics if you can.
05-11-2013 04:17 PM
SloopJonB
Re: buying advice?

That's what I'm currently doing. I sold a 10 metric ton Columbia 43 last fall and I'm picking up my "new" Fortune 30 - 5 tons - next week. I won't need to rustle up crew to go out for an evening sail and it won't take an hour at each end to get going and put it to bed.

Years ago every survey of experienced cruisers said 35'-40' was the optimum for long term use.

I have learned through personal experience that they were right.

Big boats are very seductive and exciting to sail but they can quickly become effectively a small business to own & operate.

A business that incurs a major financial loss every year.
05-11-2013 03:50 PM
copacabana
Re: buying advice?

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There have been a couple of Ocean 71's in local waters. I was drooling over one from the dock one day when I realized there wasn't a single piece of hardware on deck that would cost less than a days pay. A single turnbuckle would be $hundreds and there were nearly two dozen of them (it was a ketch). Just a toggle on one of the shrouds would have cost $100 at least - they must have been 5 Lbs of S/S each. Any of the sails would cost as much as a decent cruising boat of a sane size.

The thing was a ship, not a boat. The forces involved when the sails were loaded must have been staggering.

The move to 100' would double everything again. It would take a 7 digit expenditure every year to keep a 100' going.
+1 Jon! And even if the money is no problem, there is the time involved to keep up the boat (either doing the work yourself or administrating the crew and repair people). Some of the wisest words I have ever heard was from a cruiser on a 40 something boat who said that if it weren't for his wife (who wanted certain luxuries), he'd own a 28ft cruiser that he could anchor in new ports and forget about as he travelled inland. If he lost the boat on a reef he could just buy another one and keep going. The stress level when you have a huge chunk of equity tied up in your boat is terrible- you cringe with every docking ding as you get out the cheque book. There is a lot to be said for going smaller!
05-11-2013 02:43 PM
KPS'08
Re: buying advice?

Thanks everyone for the advice, links and help. I've got 8 boats ranging from 38-62' that I've inquired about. I'll keep you all posted.
Thanks again
05-11-2013 01:10 PM
SloopJonB
Re: buying advice?

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Originally Posted by copacabana View Post
There is a huge difference between a 50ft boat and a 100ft boat. A 100ft boat in your price range would probably be in such a poor state of repair that you'd be a slave to the boat for years, trying to put things right. Boat size is something personal, but something to consider is how much time you'll need to put in to keep up your boat. A 50ft boat is a lot of work to maintain. A 100ft boat is a full-time job unless you plan on having paid crew to do the work. Then there's the colossal amount of money you need to keep a 100ft boat going. If you plan on cruising with your wife and enjoying new places, perhaps a smaller boat is more practical. Do you want to spend your time in port chasing down parts, fixing, painting, polishing, washing etc. or exploring new places and sampling the local wines and food? For some, the trade off for a big boat is acceptable, for others it's not. Anyhow, just something to think about.
There have been a couple of Ocean 71's in local waters. I was drooling over one from the dock one day when I realized there wasn't a single piece of hardware on deck that would cost less than a days pay. A single turnbuckle would be $hundreds and there were nearly two dozen of them (it was a ketch). Just a toggle on one of the shrouds would have cost $100 at least - they must have been 5 Lbs of S/S each. Any of the sails would cost as much as a decent cruising boat of a sane size.

The thing was a ship, not a boat. The forces involved when the sails were loaded must have been staggering.

The move to 100' would double everything again. It would take a 7 digit expenditure every year to keep a 100' going.
05-11-2013 10:01 AM
killarney_sailor
Re: buying advice?

The reality is that there are a great many boats in the 40 to 50 foot range that would meet your needs and if the people on this board were to suggest six suitable ones there would be a hundred others that would be missed. Time spent on yachtworld.com using different search parameters is well worth it since you can see what style of boat appeals to you: rig, hull material, interior arrangements, general aesthetics, etc. Also, it makes considerable sense to talk about displacement rather than length since two fifty footers are hugely different if one is 12 tons and another is 25 tons.

Seems like you are in a good situation with six on/six off. We met an Aussie in Tahiti who worked in the mines for 5 weeks on and 5 off. When his shift ended he hopped on a plane to his boat. If you six months you could do some serious cruising since in areas with tropical cyclones (eg Caribbean and much of the South Pacific) you have to leave the area for many months at a time.

If you have to ask about maintenance of a wood boat you don't want one. Stick to fiberglass, steel, or possibly aluminum although the latter are rare outside France.
05-11-2013 09:52 AM
SimonV
Re: buying advice?

A 100 foot boat in your price range will no doubt be an oldy. One thing I have noticed is that older bigger boats had less internal volume than newer smaller bigger boats. But then I do like this. yachtworld.com/boats/1990/Mahmut-Galiseli-Shipyard-Gulet-2600409/Croatia#.UY4_WEoZOdo
05-11-2013 09:46 AM
dvuyxx
Re: buying advice?

I always admire this 100'er. But it's a whole lotta boat for two people. Halcyon - charter classic yacht, sailing holiday, luxury charter yacht, UK
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