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Interesting Sailboats

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Sirius 32, Sirius 35

THE OBJECT OF THIS THREAD:

Interesting sailboats in production and available on the new boat market (only boats with modern designs, meaning that the boats still in production but made with old designs are out). Recent designs out of production are also admissible.

Modern boat designs and modern one off, if interesting.

Classical boats and traditional boats.

Small cruisers (less than 35ft)

Seezunge 27ft: PG1-PT9

Hanse 325: PG19-PT185;

Presto 30 : 33-326; 33-327; 34-331; 34-333; 55-543; 55-544;

Tess Yachts: 37-366; 38-373;

Tess 28 Magnum: 37-369; 38-371;

Delphia 28: 38-373;

Vancouver 27/28 : 42-412; 72-717;

Cruisers between 35ft and 49ft


Catalina 355 : 31-306;

RM sailboats: PG5-PT41; 5-42

RM1050: PG5-PT46; 5-47; 5-48;

RM 1060: PG8-PT77; 8-78; 8-79; 8-80; 9-81; 30-295; 40-400; 79-786;

RM 1200: PG9-PT84; 9-85; 19-184; 20-191; 20-192; 41-404; 42-414; 42-418; 43-425; 43-426; 69-688;

RM 1350: PG9-PT82; 55-549; 95-943;

Morris Yachts: PG7-PT61

Bavaria 36: PG19-PT188; 19-190; 20-196;

Bavaria 40: PG10-PT95; 28-278; 29-281; 29-282; 29-283; 29-286; 32-316; 36-356; 51-502; 51-507; 52-518; 53-527; 53-532;

Bavaria 40s: 69-685; 78-775;

Bavaria 45: PG10-PT96; 19-190;

Rustler Yachts: PG11-PT104;

Jeanneau 409: PG11-PT103: 11-106; 30-298; 30-299; 36-356; 51-502; 51-504; 51-505; 51-509; 52-513; 52-514; 52-515; 52-516; 53-527; 54-532; 57-564; 57-570; 58-571; 58-580; 59-581; 59-583; 59-585; 62-614; 74-739; 91-906;

Jeanneau 439: 40-396; 40-397; 59-584; 59-585; 96-956;

Hanse Yachts: 16-154; 16-156; 16-158;

Hanse 400: 81-804;

Bluewater cruising yachts: 21-206

Beneteau Oceanis 37 : 31-306; 31-308; 31-309; 32-314; 55-541;

XC 38: 36-356; 96-954;

Diva 38: 39-386;

Diva 35: 40-391;

Dufour 405: 62-614;

Defline 43: 63-622

Walkabout 43: 93-923; 93-925; 93-927;

Small performance cruisers (less than 35ft)


Performance 32ft test: 29-87;

Sun Fast 3200: PG4-PT33; 4-34; 4-36; 30-293;

Elan 210: 70-691; 70-696; 78-779; 79-781;

Elan 310: PC7-PT64; 7-69; 8-71; 36-356; 41-408;

Quest 33: PG7-PT62

Olea 32: 25-243; 25-245;

First 27.7: 38-373; 38-380; 39-382;

First 30: 30-295; 39-356; 41-408; 55-545; 55-546;

Comet 26: 34-340; 35-345; 35-350; 36-353;

Pacer 30: 36-357;

Django 7.7: 40-399;

Vivace/Evosion 34: 45-442; 45-446; 45-445; 45-446; 45-447; 45-448; 45-449; 45-450; 46-458; 46-460;

Finn Flyer 34: 46-451; 46-453; 60-593;

Salona 34: 46-457;

Heol 7.4: 63-621; 63-622;

Azuree 33: 87-867; 91-902; 91-904;

JPK 10.10: 88-877 ; 88-880; 89-883;

Performance cruisers (between 35ft and 49ft)

Pogo 10.50: PG2-PT20; 3-27; 3-28; 3-30; 4-35; 5-50; 6-51; 6-52; 6-60; 11-101; 11-107; 11-110; 43-425; 44-440; 87-861; 87-867;

Pogo 12.50: PG13-PT125; 20-198; 20-199; 22-214; 27-264; 27-265; 27-269; 32-317; 32-319; 43-425; 43-426; 43-428; 44-432; 44-437; 44-439; 55-546; 55-547; 82-812; 84-831; 87-870;

Este 40: 89-890; 90-893; 90-899;

A35: PG5-PT42; 5-44; 66-660;

A40RC: 92-914;

Hammerhead 35: 64-645

Opium 39: PG5-PT42; 9-85; 9-89; 13-125; 22-220; 22-221; 43-426; 55-547; 86-857;

Aerodyne 35: PG7-PT62

Elan 350: PG7-PT64; 13-24; 13-126; 13-127; 13-128; 14-132; 18-178; 26-255; 36-356; 40-398; 41-405; 57-564; 59-589; 60-591; 72-711; 73-724; 74-738;

Elan 380: 23-223; 25-249; 26-256; 40-398; 59-589; 97-962;

Elan 410: 32-316; 79-784;

JPK 110: PG9-PT85; 10-91

Olea 44: PG10-PT100; 27-268;

Olea Yachts: 25-247;

Dufour 40e: Pg13-Pt125; 32-316; 55-547; 56-558; 56-559; 57-561; 57-562; 57-563; 59-586; 59-588,

Salona 37: 36-359; 41-406;

Salona 41: PG15-PT141; 15-145; 32-316; 36-356; 40-398; 54-538; 57-569; 78-778; 80-796; 80-798; 97-965;

Salona 42: PG15-PT145; 36-359; 40-398; 93-929; 94-932;

Cigale 16: PG15-PT148; 16-152; 17-161; 55-549; 63-625;

Cigale 14: PG17-PT163; 55-549;

Santa Cruz 43: PG17-PT169

Sydney Yachts: PG18-PT171; 18-175;

Sydney GTS 37: 43-423;

Sydney GTS 43: PG18-PT173;

Winner 12.20: PG20-193;

First 40: 31-304; 32-313; 32-316; 35-344; 36-354; 55-546; 55-547;

First 35: 36-356

Dehler 41: 30-296;

Dehler 44: 79-785;

Dehler 45: 36-356; 79-785;

Luffe 40.04: 30-300; 31-301; 31-303;

XP 38: 56-533; 56-544; 56-555; 67-622;

XP 44: 33-325;

Pacer 430: 36-357;

Pacer 376: 36-357; 66-652; 69-683;

Faurby 424: 36-360; 37-361; 37-363; 37-365;

Comfortina 39: 40-395;

J 133: 43-426; 63-620

J 111: 100-993;

Maxi 11: 99-982;

Arcona yachts: 46-456;

Arcona 410: 47-467; 47-468; 47-469; 48-471;

Arcona 430: 48-472;

Arcona 460: 50-495

Finngulf yachts: 46-456;

Varianta 44: 60-594; 60-595; 60-596; 60-597; 60-598; 64-639;

Imagine 53: 63-628;

Zou 40.2: 63-620

Ker 39: 68-676;

Finn-Flyer 42: 77-762;

Azuree 40: 85-842;

Loft 40: 85-848; 85-852;

Vivace 35: 90-895;

Sailing boats over 49ft

Zeydon 60 : PG 12-119;

JP 54: PG18-PT172;

Salona 60: 70-695;

Stadships: PG20-PT193; 20-195;

Pogo 50: 32-318; 32-319;

X-50: 54-537;

Murtic 52: 54-537;

Decksaloons and pilot house sailing boats

Sirius 32: PG1-PT1

Sirius 35: PG1-PT1; 1-10; 2-18; 50-491; 50-492; 60-559; 60-599;

Sirius 31: PG1-PT5; 2-17; 36-356;

Regina 35: 48-478;

Regina 40: PG11-PT104; 49-481; 49-483;

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Luffe 43DS: PG12-PT111; 12-115; 50-494;

Noordkaper 40: PG14-pt139;

Noordkaper yachts: PG16-PT155

Nordship 36: 30-297; 49-482;

Nordship 38: 49-482; 49-490;

Paulo's pilot house I: 38-376; 39-381; 39-383; 39-384;

Paulo's pilot house II: 69-682

Lyman & Morse 45: 38-379;

CR 38DS: 48-477; 48-478;

CR 40DS: 48-476; 48-478; 48-479; 50-494; 50-496; 50-497; 50-498;

Arcona 40DS: 50-494;

Racers

Figaro 2:pG4-PT36; 4-37; 5-42; 6-52; 6-53; 6-55; 6-56

VOR 70: PG16-PT160; 17-187

Farr 400: 67-661

Soto 40: 96-952;

Lifting keel/centerboarder

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Allures 45: PG10-PT93; 100-996;

Allures yachts: 25-248;

OVNI 425: 23-228;

OVNI 395 : 68-679; 69-690;

J 108: 67-661

Atlantic 43: 68-67

Boreal 44: 97-970; 98-974;

Multihulls till 34ft

Several Trimarans: 28-273;

Multihulls with 34ft and over

Dragonfly yachts: 26-257;

Dragonfly 35: 26-258; 27-261; 27-262;

Dragonfly 1200: 56-551;

Corsair 37: 28-276;

Farrier 39: 28-277;

Challenge 37: 28-278

Hammerhead 34: 29-385;

Hammerhead 54: 29-288; 30-292;

Trimax 10.80: 29-285;

Sig 45: 54-534; 54-539; 54-540;

Gunboat: 56-551

Fusion: 56-551;

Outremer: 56-551;

Tournier: 56-511;

Classical and Traditional boats

Jclass boats: 54-537;

Tofinou 12: 71-703;

Folck boat: 73-727;

Puffin Yachts: PG14-PT135; 14-138; 16-155;

Bestwind 50: PG12-PT116; 14-123;

Bestevaer 53: PG12-PT116;

Bestevaer yachts: PG16-PT155

Cape George 36: 41-410; 42-412;

Marieholm 33 : 42-412;

This list is not actualized. Please use the advanced search engine of the thread with the name of the model and builder. It works, most of the time.

(actualized till PG100) and it will be no more because that gives a lot of work (500 pages now).

Instead I am actualizing the titles and with the right title the thread search engine (not the one on the top of the page bit the one much below that says search thread) on its advanced option works quite well.

Hello,

Melrna posts on Miami Boat show and the comments of Smackdady about the interest of that thread lead me to think that perhaps I could share more information about sailboats I know and find interesting.

I am interested in boat design (interior and sailing performance) and I go each year at least to one of the main European Boat shows and that means basically Dusseldorf, Paris or Hamburg. On these shows you have the opportunity not only to visit the boats of the main and medium size builders but you have also the opportunity to visit the boats of small and sometime family shipyards.

Normally they build very good sailboats and sometimes they have been doing that for decades. The boats are hugely appreciated by their faithful customers but because they don't advertise their boats and there are very few on the used boat market, they pass unnoticed by the majority of the sail community.

The visit to these boats is a very rewarding experience because they are made with passion by true boat lovers and because when you talk to the guy that is on the boat, you are not talking with a dealer, that many times doesn't know much about boats, but with the builder, or the designer.

Even if you are not a buyer they will have real pleasure in talking with someone that really appreciates and understands their work. Those guys really believe in what they are doing and they do it the best way they can, no matter the cost. In a word, they are in love with what they are doing.
Of course, these boats have to be expensive.

This thread will be mainly about these boats, as a way of letting you know about these gems. Let's see if you are interested. I will not post much. If you want to know more you have just to participate and make questions.

The first one it will be the "Sirius". I have had the pleasure to visit several times their boats and to talk with the builders (father and son).

These boats have the best interiors you can find, or at least that I have seen. Not only the quality, but the design and ergonomy are fantastic. You really won't believe you are in a 32ft boat. Just incredible and amazing; Have a look at it:

Sirius-Werft Plön | Forecabin | 32 DS for 2 forecabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Owner´s cabin | 32 DS 4-berth comfort owner´s cabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Workshop | 32 DS for 2 workshop

Now that the son is in charge they have modernized the outside look of the new boats, they look fantastic not only inside but also outside. The boats sail well and they have clients as far as Japan.

Sirius-Werft Plön | Versions of decks house | You have the choice

Another interesting point is the way they develop new boats. They work with the clients to collect suggestions on the shape and design of the boats. A truly interesting affair, between passionate clients and passionate builders.

Sirius-Werft Plön | 35 DS | Philosophy

Take a good look at their interesting site and if you find the boat interesting, please let me know, I can add some information.

Sirius-Werft Plön | english | Welcome at website of Sirius-Werft Plön

Regards

Paulo
 
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#4,175 ·
AVS list.

Many want to know the AVS of their boat or the AVS of the boat that they are interested in having. I had already explained that the AVS is just a part of the relevant information about boat stability and that a Stability curve would allow much more information (including AVS) but sometimes, specially in what regards older boats, none is available and this better than nothing. This is a STIX & AVS list held by IRS Rating Office:

http://www.ircrating.org/images/stories/pdf/stix_web_latest.xls
 
#4,178 ·
Yes, that Mini 6.5 practice session video has been making the rounds. The guys from Open Sailing, out in Los Angeles, posted it on Facebook earlier today, then a friend of mine in Canada, with whom I've raced a 6.50 in the past, sent it to me in e-mail. Great stuff and great little boats. If I lived in Europe, I would have one in a heartbeat. But can't justify it for myself here in the U.S.

As Paulo has posted a few weeks ago, there are currently two French sailors circumnavigating their Mini 6.5 doublehanded. I believe they just reached the Galapagos Islands, after passing through the Panama Canal, but haven't checked in the last week. And, of course, Alessandro Di Benedetto did a circumnavigation non-stop around the Capes in a modified Mini a few years back.

For me, the Mini Class represents everything I love about sailing.
 
#4,179 · (Edited)
Things I don't like...

Do you guys saw what happened to OSTAR, once a great big race and the first solo Transat?

Single-Handed Trans-Atlantic Race - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now it is this:

Skipper Profiles | OSTAR 2013

Old men, old racing boats with the exception of an Open 50 (that has not impressed on major races) and a class 40 (with a 73 old skipper). The others are mostly just old boats, including a Formosa 42.

I have nothing against sailors amusing themselves racing, I love solo racing and any form of competition, even if it is with oneself, but can this be called an OSTAR race?

I mean, this is the race that once was won by some of the greatest skippers of their time on the fastest solo boats??!!!: Éric Tabarly, Geoffrey Williams, Alain Colas, Philip Weld, Yvon Fauconnier, Jean Yves Terlain, Loïck Peyron, Francis Joyon, Ellen MacArthur, Michel Desjoyeaux and Mike Golding all have won it on the most modern and fast racers of their time.....and now it is raced with 25 year old multihulls, Formosas, Saltram, Contessas and third rate skippers?

Please respect what was once a great race and the best of the best that won it and call this race anything else but OSTAR:mad:

....
 
#4,223 · (Edited)
Re: Things I don't like...

Do you guys saw what happened to OSTAR, once a great big race and the first solo Transat?

wiki link (removed link due to forum limits)

Now it is this:

ostar website (removed link due to forum limits)

Old men, old racing boats with the exception of an Open 50 (that has not impressed on major races) and a class 40 (with a 73 old skipper). The others are mostly just old boats, including a Formosa 42.

I have nothing against sailors amusing themselves racing, I love solo racing and any form of competition, even if it is with oneself, but can this be called an OSTAR race?

I mean, this is the race that once was won by some of the greatest skippers of their time on the fastest solo boats??!!!: Éric Tabarly, Geoffrey Williams, Alain Colas, Philip Weld, Yvon Fauconnier, Jean Yves Terlain, Loïck Peyron, Francis Joyon, Ellen MacArthur, Michel Desjoyeaux and Mike Golding all have won it on the most modern and fast racers of their time.....and now it is raced with 25 year old multihulls, Formosas, Saltram, Contessas and third rate skippers?

Please respect what was once a great race and the best of the best that won it and call this race anything else but OSTAR:mad:

....
written as PM to OP - not enough posts to pm so here it is ;)

Hi, my name is Alex and I'm a student at the University of Plymouth in the UK, studying Navigation and Maritime Science. I'm a mature student (30 years old) and I've come from an IT/web development background to follow a career in yachting.
I was lucky enough to marry these two passions together when the opportunity came up to get involved with the prestigious and historic OSTAR which is run by the Royal Western Yacht Club of England.
I got a pingback from your links on these boards through our website and I was sorry to read that you feel the 2013 event is underwhelming when compared to previous events.

I wanted to comment on a couple of your points and hopefully share some ideas that will change your mind on this exciting, albeit under subscribed 2013 event.
Firstly, your point about the Transat race and the history of professional racers taking part.
The wiki page is misleading, the Transat 2004 and 2008 events were actually in no way related to the historic RWYC OSTAR events.
To my knowledge, Michel Desjoyeaux has not sailed an RWYC OSTAR campaign. Other than that, your list of previous competitors is correct, and what a list (heroes)!!
Since the OSTAR's inception in 1956 and first race in 1960, a huge range of boats have taken part, from cruisers to performance racers. Every race has seen a real mix of competitors, all doing this amateur race for their own personal reasons and in "Corinthian spirit".
In 2000, the OSTAR, then known as Europe 1 New Man STAR, saw many professional racers who were following the tradition of using the event as a feeder and training ground for bigger professional solo events such as Vendee. The RWYC is a non-profit organisation run by volunteers and many of the race committee have been in that position since the first race! The demands of professional race teams and their shore crews quickly outgrew the facilities and capabilities of the club. There was additional strain with the insurance requirements for such a fleet that RWYC was not capable of covering. As such, after the 2000 race the organisers added the following to the standard NoR, "Boats over 50 feet will only be accepted on a case by case basis due to an agreement with OC Events. IMOCA 60 and ORMA 60 class boats shall not be accepted."
The Transat was born! A professional event was organised and raced, completely separate from the OSTAR. This was done again in 2008 with title sponsor Artemis. After that, the race organisation for the Transat completely collapsed and the event has not been repeated.
The OSTAR NoR amendment remains. The event was intentionally returned to a small yacht club event targeted at non-professional sailors.
The 2009 OSTAR saw the end of several key organiser's time with the event. Because of this, the 2013 project was late off the ground and suffered a lack of PR and marketing in the early days. This year's event also coincides with several large solo events such as Class 40 Worlds. This has led to the event being a bit disappointing in terms of numbers but check this out;
The Formosa 42 you mentioned is skippered by a veteran of the race, Mervyn Wheatley. This is his 4th OSTAR and he has won his class in previous years!
Nico Budel (74) has also won his class on the Class 40 in 2005 OSTAR.
The old trimaran came 2nd in the 2005 event, Roger Langevin has a long sailing CV with much success and he is mostly doing this for fun.
One of the leisurely-paced tracks to follow is Peter Crowther on his Swan 38 Suomi Kudu, this is his ninth OSTAR! In '72 he did it in a gaff and it took him 89 days!
The story, passion and history that you say is missing from this 2013 event is actually the only thing left. The race was designed as a bet between friends whilst on a train. Francis Chichester and Blondie Hasler conceived of the race and ran it for nothing more than personal achievement and the half crown (old money) bet. Most of this year's competitors are just here for a tick on bucket list.

Check out Jac Sandberg's Corby 30 'Spirit'. I think it's an incredible little boat, 3rd highest handicap after the Open 50 and Class 40.

While the future of the race remains uncertain, I am still dedicated to doing my part in making it great, even if it's without the celebrity sailors and their F1 race yachts.

Anyway, if your eyes made it this far down, congratulations.
I hope you found this a little bit informative and hopefully it helped change your mind about the event. Leave the pros to the pro events and enjoy these amateurs demonstrating true courage and daring by doing what most of us only dream of!

With warm regards,
Alex Burgis - OSTAR 2013 Committee

The views expressed in this message may not reflect those of the author or any other person real or imagined. Sarcasm and internet anonymity often result in messages on the interwebs with no actual basis in reality.
 
#4,184 · (Edited)
Class950 - JPK 960



Regarding comfort I don't thing so, regarding speed yes. But one thing is speed other is handicap racing and I doubt very much a class950 could be raced to its rating on an inshore regatta race.

The Class950 are a kind of a reduced class40, both pointing to solo or short crew ocean racing and that' were they are competitive. On a regatta or smaller ocean race with a crew both boats would not be very competitive in what regards handicap racing and in some conditions, even on real time. You have just to look at the results of the Sidney Hobart (and upwind race with stormy seas) were in several years a Class40 never managed to beat the fastest First 40, that has a much smaller handicap.

Put both boats in a Transat and the class40 will smoke the First 40. Only on very particular conditions a class40 can be beaten by a boat like the First 40.



The Pogo 10.50 is a kind of civilized and just a bit bigger Class950.

I don't know of any Class 950 with a good cruising interior except the Mistral 950, a Lucas design. The boat is not as fast as the typical racing 950 but it is a great design with a very nice interior and a lifting keel:







The boat had raced the last Transat with a duo that included Lucas (the designer). They did not had strong winds and did not done as good as they expected, being beaten in real time by many boats including JPK 9.6, 10.10, A35 and Sunfast 32 but being the only boat of that type on the race it is impossible to know if that was due to the boat, crew or the limitations the boat was subjected. Note that a 9.50 has normally a rating that does not allow it to race the Transquadra so the boat was not sailing to its potential, having less sails and less sail area.

Look at this interesting report on the 9.50 site about that experience:

The first Mistral 950 (Jean-Paul Le Breton) participated in the Transquadra 2011/2012 with François LUCAS. Disappointing result because the IRC rating is very detrimental to the 950 class: Penalized boat, main sail with slightly less area, only spinnakers for breeze. In short we needed the strong winds and this year the trade wind was unfortunately very soft. The only consolation was that we won 30 places in three days of decent constant trade winds!

The boat returned to France safely by sea in the hands of Franck AUSSEDAT, often in close and sometimes with winds of 40 knots and 4m waves. Since then the boat has cruised the South Brittany Coast: With its lifting keel, all ports and anchorages are open to him.

The next objective is to optimize the boat for the next Transquadra: A door opens in 2013 in the IRC for powerful boats, we will take advantage of it.


UnMistral 950 en Russie. Nouvel article - Classe 9.50

Some interesting comments by the one that won on the same race the class of "heavy cruisers" with a First 36,7. He calls F1 to JPK, Sunfast 32 and A31 and 35 and cruiser racers to more traditional and heavier boats like Grand Soleil 37:D

"Super accueil !Monday, febr 13, approx noon time, after 15 days and some hours (details to follow later), Notabene crossed the finish line at Le Marin. Under a beautiful wind and sun, there people waiting with music, singing and applauses. ..

Finishing in the head of the race with a 'heavy' boat isn't something that was left unremarked for the competitors and the organisation. During 15 days on the head of the race, the F1-racers, had been surprised, or been questioning: what is Notabene still doing here ??? Or what the fu**k are they still, or once again, crossing our way ?

Imagine we hadn't broken that second spi boom... must have lost about 5 places ?

Anyway, we finished after the Grand Soleil 37 MUSIX, in the provisional ranking of the 'heavy weights' ( the cruiser-racers). But before another Grand Soleil 40 ana GS 37. Will this be enough to keep the second place after the on 'handicap racing' ?

Yesterday, after a first night of party, we received a provisional ranking overall with the handicap included. It seems that we are place 25 in the overall ranking (!!!) Before many Pogos and other F1 boats. Yes, we are proud! !
....

It is finally confirmed. Notabene wins in his class, the group of 20 cruiser-racers.
We couldn't believe we'll end up before the fasts Grand Soleils, but we beat the GS 40 with 9 min on the finish line ( after 15 days racing). With recalculating the handicap we even end up long before them.

Conclusions :

1 : The first places of the TQ , is a fight between ARCHAMBAULT and JPK, which JPK has obviously won this edition : a first place in double ( JPK 10.10) and a first in solo.
2 : the 'heavy weights', cruiser-racers, could keep up with the F1 racers, due to winds under 20 knts in the first part of the race ( these boats go surfing as of 20 knts wind, with a big swell)
3. There is more and more Race in the Race ( F1, Pogos, Jeanneau 3200, criser-racers) which is good and will make the organisation think of having more categories next time."


Final results are amazing ! | Notabene Transquadra 2012

For you to form a better idea here are the Transquadra results. I know it is a drag, you have to see real time results here:

Transquadra 2011-2012 | Transat solitaire et double réservée aux amateurs.

And then see the brand and type of boat here:

Transquadra 2011-2012 | Transat solitaire et double réservée aux amateurs.

You can also look at the IRC files of some boats, the one from the class950 Mistral950 (with the normal rating):

http://www.ffvoile.fr/ffv/public/habitable1/orc/certifs/pdf/13011a.pdf

A Prototype class 9.50:

http://www.ffvoile.fr/ffv/public/habitable1/orc/certifs/pdf/13003a.pdf

Two A35:

http://www.ffvoile.fr/ffv/public/habitable1/orc/certifs/pdf/13069a.pdf

http://www.ffvoile.fr/ffv/public/habitable1/orc/certifs/pdf/13061a.pdf

Two JPK 10.10

http://www.ffvoile.fr/ffv/public/habitable1/orc/certifs/pdf/13048a.pdf

http://www.ffvoile.fr/ffv/public/habitable1/orc/certifs/pdf/12048a.pdf

Two JPK 960:

http://www.ffvoile.fr/ffv/public/habitable1/orc/certifs/pdf/12069a.pdf

http://www.ffvoile.fr/ffv/public/habitable1/orc/certifs/pdf/12088a.pdf

A A 31:

http://www.ffvoile.fr/ffv/public/habitable1/orc/certifs/pdf/13010c.pdf

and some posts about the Transaquadra with relevant information:

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/boat-...341-interesting-sailboats-221.html#post830223

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/boat-...341-interesting-sailboats-222.html#post830612

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/boat-...341-interesting-sailboats-224.html#post834742

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/boat-...341-interesting-sailboats-272.html#post869548

Bottom point, a class950 is a much more powerful boat than a JPK 960 with a much bigger IRC handicap. However IRC penalises too much the boat and it will not be competitive in regattas. On normal conditions it will be faster than a JPK 960 on a Transat.

Regards

Paulo
 
#4,182 · (Edited)
A13

Archambault A13: IRC-Racer von Archambault - Yachten + Jollen*|*YACHT.DE

A 13m IRC rocket by Archambault. Plans with 15 knots of wind and is affordable...
Looks great...and fast;)















Specifications Archambault A13

LOA (hull length) 13.10 m
Width 4.20m
Depth (T-keel) 2.60 m
Weight 6,7 t
Sail area 105 m2
Spinnaker 176 m2

The IRC rating should be between 1.16 and 1.18 and the price 379,000 euro including carbon rig and VAT. The boat can have two wheel or a tiler configuration.

This one, contrary to the A35 and A40 will not be a cruiser racer but a race boat with a more schematic interior. The boat come with an head a simple galley and six bunks, the rest is pretty much open space.

It is a Joubert /Nivelt and the boat is designed to compete in iRC, offshore and inshore. That transom seems ultra wide but the boat has only as beam 4.2m while the two smaller 40 class racer posted before, with less 1M in lenght, have considerable more (about 4.5).

Joubert/Nivelt are the designers of the Archambault line and also the M34. I would say that they know very well how to make fast, competitive boats in IRC and also boats that can be sailed with a short crew and looking at the hull lines I would say this one is no exception. That Transom seems forgiving enough to short crew sailing.

Joubert-Nivelt Design - Architecte naval bateaux voiliers motor-yachts grands-yachts sailing-boats
 
#4,187 · (Edited)
Akilaria 950 / Pogo 10.50



I don't agree. I had hopped that the Akilaria could follow Pogo steps in what regards a good cruising interior but they never got their number right. Have a better look and compare the two Class950 interiors in what regards light and quality:





Sure, the Akilaria 950 is fast:





But there are a reason for the Pogo 10.50 to be the much more popular (and sell much more) than the Akilaria. Even bigger it is less expensive, it has a better interior and it is fast too.





 
#4,186 · (Edited)
Traditional boats: Rabelo

We have been talking lately about many fast and modern sailboats, let's talk about a real old and slow one, I mean slow when he is not going downriver on a mountain river with rapids. The origin is unknown, probably Celtic in its building techniques that are very old. The boat is started by the bottom, then the hull and only then the structure:



The boat was used to transport wine, the best wine, Porto wine, from the high river to the main North city in Portugal, Porto. Porto means port in Portuguese so it is a no name city but that is another story:D. Porto is obviously a Port and in old times one of the main ones and for the region the wine exportation was always important as an economic activity.

On a side track, the vines were planted on the high slopes of the river Douro and thousands of years of work created a men made scenery of rare beauty that today is classified by UNESCO as a World Heritage site.

Getting back to the boat have a look at min 3.15 of this movie and you will see that after all it was a fast (and scary) boat to sail.



Now they race them, once in a year and they take that very seriously as with any other "racing" boat:D





 
#4,188 · (Edited)
2013 Round the Island Race, a favorite of mine.

You have to love this race: 1459 sailboats of all types and sizes from modern to ultra modern passing by classic and traditional . The big winner in real time: A AC45:D that beat the race record by 12 minutes. 40 minutes later comes the 100ft Leopard pursued by a little Seacart 30 trimaran (10m later). 18 m later comes an Open 60:cool:.

Tomorrow I will get back to it. For now, some great movies, as usual on this race:





 
#4,189 ·
New boat: Elan 320

Or maybe I should say half new? because even if they don't say it it seems to me a Elan 310 MKII. I mean all is new except the hull. The boat looks good even if it is to soon to say about the interior but if the new 400 is a reference it will be a nice one.

The previous boat was already a great little performance cruiser: Great cruising interior, fast to cruise and to do some club racing even if the boat was beaten at high level by boats like the A31 ot JPK 960, that are a bit more expensive anyway. The boat is slightly lighter than the 310 (60kg).

TheElan 320 comes also with two wheels as standard. I hope that they can also offer a rudder that makes a lot more sense in my opinion.











The "older2 310:







 
#4,206 ·
#4,191 ·
Two quick observations about the Pogo 10.50 Mediterranean cruise video:

1. Is it just my imagination or does everyone sailing in Europe wear brand new, top-of-the-line foul weather gear? It seems like in every video I see, people are kitted out in crisp new Musto offshore gear (or Gaastra or SLAM or HH)! I would be embarrassed to show up at a European regatta in my 13-year old Jeantex foulies (a company that is already out of business) and worn out Sperry sea boots. :(

2. When I finally get around to doing long-distance cruising, I will make sure to have at least one French crew on board, so that we are always eating well and drinking plenty of red wine. Those guys on the Pogo 10.50 were going in style and having too much fun. :D

In the meantime, the more I read the Interesting Boats forum, the harder it is becoming to choose the right boat for performance cruising. Once again, I blame the Europeans for designing and building one amazing boat after another, each one intriguing and enticing. I love J/Boats as much as the next person, but there is nothing like this going on in the United States today. Indeed, without J/Boats I would say the U.S. boat building business would basically be dead. :(
 
#4,192 ·
...... Indeed, without J/Boats I would say the U.S. boat building business would basically be dead. :(
To that I would only add the word 'innovative' boat building. But you're right. This thread has really opened our eyes to the huge activity in Europe, including unlikely places like Poland and others.

Shopping in Europe would almost be 'too much to choose from' and a tough decision.

Just noticed there's a Salona dealer in Seattle now, so maybe some more of these boats will be heading our way. Now all's left is to win a lottery...
 
#4,196 · (Edited)
Azuree 46...I like this one

The boat is a lot less beamier than the 400 (Ceccarelli designed). Both boats have about the same beam and being the 46 designed by Rob Humphreys I am pretty sure that it will have a better final stability than the 400. Humphreys likes to design seaworthy boats, with a good final stability and AVS. Even if they don't give the boat ballast I trust it will be adequate to that purpose.











Humphreys says about the Azuree 46:

Having considered a shortlist of potential designers for their new Azuree model, Sirena Marine tasked us with the challenge of designing a new flagship for the range. The current models are exciting, twin-ruddered Open-style boats and share some philosophy with a development line we have pursued for a number of years, one that in our case derives from our work in the Open 60, Volvo 70 and Class 40 theaters.

We love this style of boat; it delivers a heady mix of excitement and excellent traction. If it was a car it would be one which could be thrown it into the corners at high speed in the knowledge that it would respond to the driver's most delicate touch - adrenaline and reassurance mixing in a rare infusion.

But... fast, exciting yet forgiving: these are qualities one can find in a dedicated, custom raceboat, and in themselves are not enough to enthuse the wider sailing sector. We needed to focus not just on performance per se, but on performance versus handicapping, under both IRC and ORC rules. We wanted to design a boat that could thrill in its sailing qualities but also have a chance of delivering some silverware, and with the Azuree 46 we believe we have a boat with well-rounded capability. Of course she will be fast and exhilarating downwind in a breeze, but at the same time powerful upwind in the same conditions, with her long waterline and easy lines giving her the feel and power of a larger yacht. And in the same, ambidextrous way we had to make sure she was no slouch in the light; her hull may be wide and powerful, but the upright immersed sections represent a surprisingly low wetted area form in order to minimise viscous drag and make the most of the Azuree 46's generous sail plan.

If it was a case of ticking boxes, that's a few of them addressed. But for many boat owners, performance and race-winning potential is only part of their lifestyle. For an immense number, sailing is also about the simple joys of just enjoying life on board, to have home-comforts at anchor as much as to have long-distance passagemaking as part of their potential itinerary. The Azuree 46 can hold its hand up as a very capable cruising yacht, as able to slog it round Ushant in the teeth of a South Westerly as to provide exuberant comfort at anchor in Göcek, where the enormous cockpit transforms itself into an enveloping reclining area.

The Azuree 46 is a thoughtfully blended cocktail, sensitively composed and definitely shaken, not stirred.


and it seems that Humphreys like it too:D

The boat is light (10450kg) with a big draft (2.60m), not too beamy (4.25m) and is built by a company that have built already several boats that proved not only fast but reliable. The boat is built in Turkey so the prices are an agreeable surprise. The interiors are of good quality and this one seems to have a nice interior distribution with a big garage and lots of storage space.

It seems an interesting one to me;)
 
#4,197 ·
I bet J.P. Morgan Asset Management is delighted that Ben Ainslie set a new multi-hull record in his J.P. Morgan Asset Management AC45. That's giving the sponsor their money's worth.

And speaking of Ben Ainslie, it's quite a tribute to his incredible sailing skills that he could step out of the Finn class into a high performance multi-hull and start winning races right from the start. I suspect Oracle Racing gave him a program just to make sure they didn't have to face him at some point driving for one of the AC72 challengers.

While I've had the opportunity of racing in the Solent (on a Rob Humphreys designed boat, by coincidence), I've never done the Round the Island Race before. I need to add it to my bucket list, along with the Fastnet Race.

I thought there might be some big boat racing on my schedule this year (aside from the casual Ultra 30 outings), but so far it looks like it will be all Laser racing and perhaps a few Viper 640 regattas. Hoping to get back to San Francisco in September for the Rolex St. Francis YC Big Boat Series, if only to add to my Mt. Gay hat collection.
 
#4,198 ·
Paulo - If adding a Portuguese to my crew list will contribute to a wine-friendly boat, then I'll be sure to do so. As it turns out, I spend a fair amount of time up in the New Bedford area, which has a vibrant Portuguese community, primarily due to the commerical fishing industry, which employs many people originally from the Azores. For this reason, I am able to consume quite a lot of Portuguese food and wine (from the Douro region, of course). My first time visiting, I tried Antonio's, one of the many Portuguese restaurants, and was initially surprised to find the menu different from what I was used to in California (there is a superb Portuguese restaurant in the town I lived, Sonoma, called La Salette). But then I realized that the cuisine reflected the culture of the Azores, not mainland Portugal, so that is why it was unfamiliar. Nevertheless delicious, of course. Quite a few people from Brazil living in New Bedford, as well, probably because it's easy to be in a place where people speak the language. :)
 
#4,199 · (Edited)
2013 Solitaire du Figaro, a great solo race.

For the ones that don't know what it is about:

The Solitaire du Figaro, previously called the Course de l'Aurore, is a solo multi-stage sailing race created in 1970 by Jean-Louis Guillemard and Jean-Michel Barrault. The unique character of the race, the presence of great solo sailors and its being open to amateurs, has made it one of the most cherished races in French sailing.....

The race is split into 4 stages varying from year to year, from the length of the French coast and making up a total of around 1,500 to 2,000 nautical miles (1,700 to 2,300 mi; 2,800 to 3,700 km) on average. Over the years the race has lasted between 10 and 13 days at sea.

The competitor is alone in the boat..

In 1991, the Solitaire du Figaro made the milestone of becoming a One-Design race. The race organizers chose the Figaro Bénéteau (now called Figaro Bénéteau I) designed by Group Finot and Jean Berret. Since 2003, a new design called Figaro Bénéteau II has been used, a modernized, more powerful version ( designed by Marc Lombard).




This year they are 41. The first stage has begun in Bordeaux and will finish in Porto.

a movie that gives an idea about what it is this race about:



this year's edition teaser:



the "ambiance"and the public:



and the beginning of the race:



not as exciting as this one, from 2009:D:



You can follow here:

Le Figaro - La Solitaire

Sail-World.com : Solitaire du Figaro - Les caprices d?un fleuve

Le Figaro - La Solitaire
 
#4,204 · (Edited)
Re: 2013 Solitaire du Figaro, a great solo race.

For the ones that don't know what it is about:

The Solitaire du Figaro, previously called the Course de l'Aurore, is a solo multi-stage sailing race created in 1970 by Jean-Louis Guillemard and Jean-Michel Barrault. The unique character of the race, the presence of great solo sailors and its being open to amateurs, has made it one of the most cherished races in French sailing.....

The race is split into 4 stages varying from year to year, from the length of the French coast and making up a total of around 1,500 to 2,000 nautical miles (1,700 to 2,300 mi; 2,800 to 3,700 km) on average. Over the years the race has lasted between 10 and 13 days at sea.


Yes indeed. I was very much looking forward to this race, though as you say the start of Leg 1 was not all that exciting yesterday - light conditions as the fleet beat down the river to the Bay of Biscay. The list of competitors is a who's who of major talent, including Yann Elies and Michel Desjoyeux (currently in first and second place), Adrien Hardy, Armel Le Cléac'h (finished second in the Vendée Globe this year), Fredric Duthil, and on and on. This should be a really good event and, so far, it is living up to it - the bulk of the fleet remains clustered within 0-3 miles of each other, after almost 24 hours of racing, in mostly light, downwind conditions (after they got out of the Garonne / Girdonde rivers).

Just to give an idea of how mainstream this is in France, the title sponsor this year is Eric Bompard ("Irresistible Cashmeres"), a well-known brand of fashion wear for women, men and children. Not dissimilar to Hugo Boss sponsoring Alex Thomson's Open 60 campaign, but this is an entire race series. To have something comparable for a sailing event in North America is unthinkable - though perhaps I'm wrong: I believe Nautica sponsors the U.S. Sailing Team for apparel and Nautica Watches was one of the sponsors at Key West Race Week. But I still think the point is valid. The Solitaire de Figaro is about as mainstream a sporting event in France as you could possibly have. And just wait a few more weeks when the Tour de France a la Voile kicks off. :)

Lest you think that all I do is complain, let me say that I am extremely pleased with the number and quality of Laser regattas scheduled for the Northeast this year. From June to October we will have the Atlantic Coast Championship, the New England Championship, the North American Championship, the North American Masters Championship, the Atlantic Coast Masters Championship, Buzzards Bay, Hyannis, and Sail Newport (and I didn't even mention all the smaller, local regattas). All of these events will attract very big fleets - over 100 boats in many cases - with solid sponsorship and good race organization. It is only when you step up to keel boats that things get depressing and you must then turn to Europe and Australia/NZ for real excitement.
 
#4,201 ·
My wife comes from Weymouth as well. Salty girls. We are South Shore people as well. Once the stick was put in it was uncertain if the tricolor was working well. Builder went up to look at it. Once he came down she said "What's it like up there? I want to go up" and she did. The locker behind the center back cushion of our Outbound folds down exposing a wine locker ( with cut out holes for the bottles). The back of the locker door becomes a convenient shelf. Good food and one glass can be a morale booster coming off watch.
 
#4,207 ·
The Dingo 6.5 is a production series Mini, and has been known to be somewhat competitive in the right hands, though that class is dominated by the Pogo 2, among series boats.

I take it that Yaka is just a more civilized, cruiser-friendly Dingo 6.5, with the twin keels giving it the ability to dry out with the tide. :)

It would be natural to want to make larger versions of each, I suppose, though it sure seems that space is getting a bit crowded.

As I was taking my midday walk, a short time ago, I came to the conclusion that I will need to schedule a trip to Europe next year to visit the various yards and get a first hand look at the boats that are tempting me, including the Malango 888 and 999, the SeaScape 27, the Archambault 31 (and the new 35 by then), the Dehler 32 and 38, and who knows what else, since in 12 months I expect to see even more new, enticing interesting boats.

Fortunately, this summer I'll get a first-hand look at the soon-to-be-launched J/88!



Now excuse me while I try to scrounge a ride for the 2013 Melges 24 Worlds, in San Francisco. :D
 
#4,208 · (Edited)
Jpk 10.10

...
As I was taking my midday walk, a short time ago, I came to the conclusion that I will need to schedule a trip to Europe next year to visit the various yards and get a first hand look at the boats that are tempting me, including the Malango 888 and 999, the SeaScape 27, the Archambault 31 (and the new 35 by then), the Dehler 32 and 38, and who knows what else, since in 12 months I expect to see even more new, enticing interesting boats.

...
You should not forget the JPK 10.10 and if you are considering a 35/36ft, the new Sunfast 3600 and the JPK 10.80. The two last are still being built and we can only speculate about the performance, but regarding the JPK 10.10, that's a fact.

The Round the Island race with about 1500 sailboats and many top and well sailed boats is a very valuable source of information. As it is a around an Island they will get wind over all directions so the information does not privilege upwind or downwind sailing.

I have started looking at the results and one of the first things that call my attention was the incredibly good JPK 10.10 performance and not only in relative terms since the only two racing made 1st and 2nd in its class but also in absolute terms. Their asolute performance in real time was even more impressive: The fastest has made it in 6h 35m and the other one in 6h 45m. There was plenty J111 racing and I have no doubt that some of them were very well sailed. The fastest had done it in 6h 35m all the others, and they were much more than the JPK, had done a lot worst.

Now, the J111 is not only 1m longer as it is much of a race boat with a schematic interior while the JPK 10.10, while being racing oriented has a nice cruising interior for a top cruiser racer. Besides that the JPK 10.10 is forgiven enough to be solo raced and that would not be the case of the J111, specially downwind.

Look at both boats, first the JPK 10.10 and don't forget that the JPK is more than 3ft smaller and less expensive:

The JPK 10.10:



The J 111:





Now, I am not saying bad things about the J 111, a boat I like very much, a great and very fast one, just comparing its performance with the JPK 10.10 on this race.

Just compare it with the times done by more conventional cruiser racers. You can compare the JPK 10.10 (a 10m boat) with the times of the typical 12m modern performance cruiser...and be prepared for a surprise:D

Download this spread sheet:

J.P. Morgan Asset Management Round the Island Race - Results for the 2013 race

And I let you with Zulu, anoter JPK 10.10 winning another major race some days ago, this one a different one, a regatta. Yes this boat wins offshore races, regattas, solo races and besides that it has an interior that allow it to cruise. I would say that is difficult to do better.

Chapeau to the designer, J. Valer.



Regards

Paulo
 
#4,209 · (Edited)
Sunfast 3600 - JPK 1080

And since we talked about those two, that are among the most waited boats, let's see what we have more about them.

On Jeanneau they have been promoting the Sunfast 3600 releasing new virtual images...and nice ones:





















On the JPK not so much but even so, some better images:







Both boats are pointing to the Transquadra mainly and IRC racing as a second option but in what regards cruising it seems to me that, as usual, the JPK would have a better interior and not only in quality but by design, specially in what regards the galley and also in what regards storage. Not a question of space but while that storage space on the Sunfast near the bow can be great for head sails, it is not practical for cruising. The space on the cockpit floor seems bigger but the interior aft cabin of the JPK as storage space seems a better overall option to me.

The SunFast:



The JPK:

 
#4,210 · (Edited)
Re: Sunfast 3600 - JPK 1080

Both boats are pointing to the Transquadra mainly and IRC racing as a second option but in what regards cruising it seems to me that, as usual, the JPK would have a better interior and not only in quality but by design, specially in what regards the galley and also in what regards storage. Not a question of space but while that storage space on the Sunfast near the bow can be great for head sails, it is not practical for cruising. The space on the cockpit floor seems bigger but the interior aft cabin of the JPK as storage space seems a better overall option to me.

The SunFast:



The JPK:

Both look like very nice designs indeed, Paulo.

They are relatively lightweight and infused sandwich constructions with a comparable and quite high B/D ratio, but the JPK carries 10% more sail for exactly the same hull length.
JPK uses vinylester as resin, resulting in better stiffness and resistance to osmosis (somewhere between the cheaper polyester and the much more expensive epoxy).

I can't find any information about the keel shape of the Sun Fast, which I find very strange because this is an essential feature for clearly performance oriented boats such as these. So I suppose it will have the same bulb shape the 3200 has?
JPK announces a mixed cast iron/lead keel, straight or with a bulb (option).
Neither builder foresees a retractable or swinging keel, probably because of their racing ambitions. But for cruising the fixed 2.20m draft of both yachts can be quite restrictive for a 36 footer.

I much prefer the retractable bowsprit on the JPK because it is much longer and thus more efficient to carry asymmetric or code sails than the fixed version on the Sun Fast. The latter is cheaper to build but makes boarding when moored bow-to almost impossible without a catway and adds to berthing costs.

The forward storing space on the Sun Fast is probably dictated by the much larger cockpit, bringing the saloon a little forward and leaving insufficient space for a livable front cabin. Apart from the saloon, sleeping is therefore restricted to two aft cabins, with probably very cramped space above the berths because of the very short cockpit seating's on both designs. Racing crews don't like cockpit seating's at all but cruisers certainly do and they also give air and volume to the underlying cabin(s), which is an important feature regarding actual comfort, not only visually ;).
So in my opinion only the JPK is offering a sufficiently comfortable and dedicated sleeping cabin.
Although I must admit carrying all the extra sails far outside of the keel line disturbs the lateral weight balance, especially on light boats (that's why I only use the port water tank on our Pogo :eek:) and transporting them through the heads, cabin, cockpit and then all the way to the front deck every time is much, much more laborious than through a deck hatch right up front. But also there you don't want to carry much weight :confused:.

At the drawing stage I already very much like the coach roof design of the JPK. It gives headroom where it is most needed (cabin entry, galley and nav station, hopefully with frontal view!), makes for easy circulation on deck (outboard chainplates mean you must pass below the lowers) and allows a transversal solent rail for better upwind performance.

So at this stage I personally also prefer the design of the JPK from a cruiser/racer point of view, but certainly await the tests and reviews on the water before making an educated judgment. "The proof of the pudding is in the eating" and as we all know, personal tastes can be very, very different :).

Kind regards,

Eric
 
#4,213 ·
It is a drag race in Leg 1 of the Solitaire de Figaro, with the top 15 boats all within 2 miles of the leader, Alexis Loison. MichDej is 0.1 of a mile from Loison, although the wind appears to have gone very, very light as the sun sets and they transition to the evening breeze. This is racing at the highest level, and it looks like it will be a dog fight all the way to the finish line in Porto. I can just imagine a tacking / gybing duel between 5-6 boats within the last few km. Awesome! :)

Le Figaro - La Solitaire
 
#4,228 ·
Paulo already announced the Pogo 30, successor of the succesful 8.50. Much awaited, probably too long for many of the 30 :eek: future owners who already ordered one on plans even before the very first one was launched. Quite exceptional in the actual boat market where even strong brands such as Southerly are in difficulty :(.

But now the very first Pogo 30 is finally on the water and the video teaser of the test by Voiles&Voiliers is online. Apart from performance, these images also show the nice oceanic swell we like so much. And what seems like a very bad squall too…
(sorry, I cant' find an embedded code):

Pogo 30 : digne successeur du 8,50 (teaser)

This first video confirms the impression I had the last time we were at the Structures boatyard: the 30 is very much like a 12.50 but smaller, clearly designed by the same NA bureau Finot-Conq. But I suppose the different scale also implies other solutions here and there. And I also expect them to have learned from the 12.50 to further improve this kind of design. So I much await the publication of the test itself, the extensive video and Paulo's opinion at his return (meantime enjoy the cruise, Paulo :cool: !).

Except fast cruising, the Pogo 30 is said to be intended also for racing e.g. the Transquadra. Therefore a more performant fixed T-bulb keel is foreseen instead of the swinging keel. With the Sun Fasts and JPK's around this should give a nice competition.

On the pure "open 40" racing scene things seem to be moving fast, also for Structures. The Pogo 40 S2 (the hull upon which the 12.50 cruiser is based), although only a few years old and certainly not unsuccessful, will already be followed by the newly designed 40 S3 next year (again Finot-Conq).

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...73741830.263630182346&type=1&relevant_count=1

Then the Pogo 2 got a longer lifespan, a much older design but still difficult to beat in the Mini 6.50 series category. But now they are also working on a model of the future Pogo 3 (this time not Finot-Conq but Verdier as NA).

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...2963262346.143973.263630182346&type=1&theater

Busy guys, there in Britanny!

Best regards,

Eric
 
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