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06-14-2013 05:27 PM
SloopJonB
Re: Almost free boat

I bought my first hull from Markos, a local quality builder. He built a semi production 39 foot "sort of" Mason design at his shop and had a 38' version of it as his personal boat - I suspect it was actually the plug for the 39 as they were indistinguishable other than the 38 being scratch built.

I ran into him years later when he was provisioning the 38 for offshore. I commented on how good it looked and he said he had just finished a stem to stern re-do of it.

He said it would have been faster and easier to have built a new 39.
06-14-2013 03:22 PM
JimMcGee
Re: Almost free boat

Just start adding up the hours to bring back something like that "Whitby". If you do a realistic estimate you'll keep walking...

I've looked at some foreclosed homes recently. It's amazing how quickly a house becomes a tear down when you're looking at time and materials and boats are even worse.
06-14-2013 01:12 PM
SloopJonB
Re: Almost free boat

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06-14-2013 09:54 AM
BubbleheadMd
Re: Almost free boat

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Originally Posted by SJ34 View Post
A Mariner 36 ketch on my dock was recently offered free of charge to the first taker. No liens, all taxes paid, slip fees paid up and with the marina managers blessing.

The boat was complete and sail-able with a couple of weekends worth of clean-up and elbow grease. It had a newly rebuilt Perkins diesel, and according to the guy who maintained the boat for the owner, it was in good mechanical condition. However, cosmetically it was a mess. The owner lived aboard with a dog that never went out to do it's business and just standing near the thing could trigger gag reflex of some more civilized folks.

I did the math and after a very deep clean, new cushions, port windows, electronics, new binnacle compass etc etc etc., I would have had more money in the boat than it was worth and I would have done all the work myself.

Now an observation of human behavior: About a dozen people looked at the boat. All were turned off by various aspects and unanimously declared they were "Absolutely not interested". After three months, the owner finally found somebody willing to take it off his hands. As soon as the new owner showed up to begin the clean-up, almost all of the people who turned their noses up before were suddenly willing to start a bidding war and were shocked and angry at the previous owner for giving the boat to an outsider. Go Figure.
Fascinating story, and insight into human behavior.
06-14-2013 09:49 AM
ltgoshen
Re: Almost free boat

We have all seen them sitting in a field or on a dock. The dory or an all wood two master, sitting there seem to be calling out to us ďSTOP" take a look at me. Think of the fun we could have together. Think of the places we could explorer together... I was a down low shopper. I spent many months looking for the almost free boat to find just the right one. You canít be in a hurry with a project like that. You have to know the vessel. Spend time researching the flaws in the design. Inspect the boat yourself. Get sailor friends to give you their opinions to the shape and manufacture of the boat you may or may not be looking. it was right here on this site where I learned everything on about the boat I was considering to pickup "All Most Free"
It was here the guys chimed in and gave me their history lesions and problems as well as the sailing ability of the C&C30 MK1. Maybe I was lucky" I don't think so" Maybe is just a great little boat ďPossibly. But, I think it was asking questions here on this site. I think itís that, the home work was put in and the inspections were done. Not just a regular inspection but a deep dive inspection.
I inspected:
1) engine room. what shape it was in. leaking oil, leaking water, chalk on the engine, proof of or hint of oil changes, Hour meter working? Rust on prop shaft? Shaft packing? Engine wiring? was it factory? were there evidence of shade-tree rewiring or mechanical work? Looking thru the spare parts sometime tells a great story.
2) Thru-hull fittings, requirs a haulout to repair, Around here starts at $800.00
3) Anchoring systems and ground tackle. Up to $1,000.00
4) pad-eye, blocks, pullys, winches, "fittings in general could be hundreds"
5 cabin systems. Lights, coushions. fresh water systems ect. ref, Stove,
6) Haylards, Sheets, snatch-blocks, "working rope could be hundreds"
7) Spars, Inspection of the Mast, spreader, Mast-head lights, fasteners
"Could cost hundreds"
8) Boom inspection, internal outhaul? winch, reefing hooks, Clutches,
9) Hull structure, Bulkhead inspections. signs of over stress? cracking?
"Walk-away"
10) Cabin top and deck ispection. Is the deck balsa cored? is it wet? delamimation going on? is the cabin wet on the inside? where is it coming from? deck fittings need to be tightened or rebeaded? "May need to Walk-Away"
If you have read this far you can see my point. This is not but 10 of the 3500 parts on the inspection page Iíve mentioned. So you do a good inspection you can find out some big money and some Walk-away items to consider.
I went against a lot of people that advised me to run from the C&C30 I was looking at. I spent 3 months asking for help and inspecting the boat before I made the leap. She is a great boat now. She was in bad shape when I found her. But she had so much equipment and the big ticket items looked to be able to pass my inspections. Below is a couple before and after shots of the boat. I paid $2,500. for the boat and invested around $5,000. in her to date. I have sailed her for a year. all systems are normal. I did blow an external oil line on the back of the 2GM Yanmar, But fixed it myself. Enjoy the photos and Thanks to a lot of great people on this site for all the great help.




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06-13-2013 10:16 PM
SJ34
Re: Almost free boat

A Mariner 36 ketch on my dock was recently offered free of charge to the first taker. No liens, all taxes paid, slip fees paid up and with the marina managers blessing.

The boat was complete and sail-able with a couple of weekends worth of clean-up and elbow grease. It had a newly rebuilt Perkins diesel, and according to the guy who maintained the boat for the owner, it was in good mechanical condition. However, cosmetically it was a mess. The owner lived aboard with a dog that never went out to do it's business and just standing near the thing could trigger gag reflex of some more civilized folks.

I did the math and after a very deep clean, new cushions, port windows, electronics, new binnacle compass etc etc etc., I would have had more money in the boat than it was worth and I would have done all the work myself.

Now an observation of human behavior: About a dozen people looked at the boat. All were turned off by various aspects and unanimously declared they were "Absolutely not interested". After three months, the owner finally found somebody willing to take it off his hands. As soon as the new owner showed up to begin the clean-up, almost all of the people who turned their noses up before were suddenly willing to start a bidding war and were shocked and angry at the previous owner for giving the boat to an outsider. Go Figure.
06-13-2013 09:12 PM
SlowButSteady
Re: Almost free boat

Them "almost free" boats can be the most expensive ones.
06-13-2013 08:44 PM
SloopJonB
Re: Almost free boat

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Originally Posted by deniseO30 View Post
Just listed! LOL ..." Vessel is in need of clean-up and repair" WTF does "cement lined" hull mean? It's a whitby 1972 - Whitby 42' Sailboat - GovDeals.com
That looks like a ferro boat to me - I don't think that the Whitby Boat Works we all immediately thought of built it.
06-13-2013 07:08 PM
adki110
Re: Almost free boat

That HIN is for a Florida homemade boat.
06-13-2013 06:56 PM
miatapaul
Re: Almost free boat

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Hi, there are some worrying points listed on the "boat inspection form", that are not shown in any of the photo's. It states "major damage to deck" and "cracks in dash/floor". You really ought to get to have a look at the vessel personally, take lots of pictures. Take somebody with you who really knows about the costs and difficulties of boat repairs. I wouldn't invest in a surveyor unless you are then really really sure that this is your boat and you don't mind loosing out the money invested if you are not the high bidder at the end. Also, as this is an auction, the price may well go up quite a lot. In deed, only today it went from its starting bid to $2000. There are still 18 days to go in the auction ...
I don't know what to think of the inspection form it says the boat is 30' 10" long and 25' 6" wide, that is a wide boat! Does not look bad for a very basic boat, but it is already bid to what I think it is likely worth and is still not to the reserve price.
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