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07-11-2013 06:04 PM
mark2gmtrans
Re: Crab Pots in Channels, oh My!

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Originally Posted by travlineasy View Post
Mark, I couldn't agree more with your statement. The latest thing we have here in Maryland is a rain tax - YEP! You heard it right - a rain tax. If you have a home, it can cost you up to $125 a year for the home's impervious surfaces, roof, driveway, patio, deck - you name it, Governor O'Malley and the democratic controlled state house and senate will find a way to tax it. Now, this money, along with billions of dollars already spent on various studies, is supposed to clean up Chesapeake Bay. However, it, like every other form of tax in this nation, will be dumped into the General Fund, where the tax and spend crazies will do what they please with it. With all the brash claims the bay cleanup program is making progress, you would be hard pressed to find anyone that actually spends time on the estuary that would agree with that assumption. On local TV last night, they interviewed a small business owner that will be paying an additional $30,000 per year for the newly enacted rain tax. It won't be long until the lawmakers find more, new ways of taxing our boats because we own them. Only politicians should be able to own boats!

Cheers,

Gary
Gary, I have long said that it should be a felony charge for every legislator and the executive branch to take a tax and use it for something other than what it was stated to be used for when the law was passed.

If we started locking these wasteful scoundrels up or publicly whipping them or something, I bet the taxes would go away quickly. Suddenly it would not be nearly so important to build bridges to nowhere, or study the nocturnal sex habits of the Nigerian Night Crawlers or some other such rubbish.

It is going to get worse, a lot worse, before (if) it gets better.
07-11-2013 05:39 PM
travlineasy
Re: Crab Pots in Channels, oh My!

Mark, I couldn't agree more with your statement. The latest thing we have here in Maryland is a rain tax - YEP! You heard it right - a rain tax. If you have a home, it can cost you up to $125 a year for the home's impervious surfaces, roof, driveway, patio, deck - you name it, Governor O'Malley and the democratic controlled state house and senate will find a way to tax it. Now, this money, along with billions of dollars already spent on various studies, is supposed to clean up Chesapeake Bay. However, it, like every other form of tax in this nation, will be dumped into the General Fund, where the tax and spend crazies will do what they please with it. With all the brash claims the bay cleanup program is making progress, you would be hard pressed to find anyone that actually spends time on the estuary that would agree with that assumption. On local TV last night, they interviewed a small business owner that will be paying an additional $30,000 per year for the newly enacted rain tax. It won't be long until the lawmakers find more, new ways of taxing our boats because we own them. Only politicians should be able to own boats!

Cheers,

Gary
07-09-2013 05:11 PM
mark2gmtrans
Re: Crab Pots in Channels, oh My!

Quote:
Originally Posted by travlineasy View Post
My full-keeled Morgan 33 O.I. doesn't snag them at all, but when I was running a 27 Catalina with a fin keel I managed to snag one just about every week. At the end of summer, the entire upper bay above Pooles Island is a minefield of crab pots, especially in depths of 5 to 15 feet, which is most of the area excluding the main channel.

As for the cutters, they work to some extent, but not always. And, they're expensive.

When I was running a 21 Proline powered with a 150 HP Yamaha outboard I wrapped a pot near the mouth of Whitehall Bay. That pot was a derelict and in 4 feet of water with no float attached. The line was floating just beneath the surface when I snagged it on my prop and wrapped the put around my prop and lower unit. The resulting damage set me back $1,600 for a replacement gear case and prop repair.

Keep in mind that according to a study done by VIMS, there are more than 1-million derelict crab pots in Chesapeake Bay. Despite claims to the contrary by commercial crabbers, those derelict pots kill something every day of the week. Not only do they kill crabs, they kill millions upon millions of finfish as well.

The crabber claim that once the pots are fouled with marine growth that nothing will enter them, therefore they are innocuous. The VIMS study clearly revealed this was definitely not the case. Large numbers of small to mid-size flounder, striped bass, white perch, yellow perch, Atlantic croaker, whelk, blue crab, spider crab, Atlantic puffer, and a host of lesser known species were found in the derelict traps.

Crabbers claimed while they lost approximately 30 percent of their pots every season, they didn't really pose a threat to the environment and that they would rot away in just a few months. Turns out that most of the newer crab pots are constructed of wire that is coated to prevent corrosion and rust. The VIMS study says these traps can last up to 10 years in the bay's marine environment, and maybe longer, thus compounding the problem.

At one time, VIMS and MD DNR put a bounty on derelict crab pots of $1 for each one retrieved. If my memory serves me correctly, a couple guys with grappling hooks picked up more than 4-thousand at the mouth of the Patuxent River alone. And, it only took them a couple days to do this. Both agencies have since removed the bounty program, claiming they ran out of funds.

Just another fun day in Paradise,

Gary
Wow! If they put that bounty back on the derelict pots I might come up there with a skiff or something and make enough in a week or two to buy a decent sized sailboat, haha. The feds can spend money on almost anything, except things that actually do something to help both the environment and those using it for work and recreation. Too bad they cannot seem to do much that actually helps anyone who wants to work instead of just get paid to lie around and watch TV. Maybe they could make the welfare folks go out and work at that and pay them for it instead of giving them a check for nothing.
07-09-2013 12:48 PM
travlineasy
Re: Crab Pots in Channels, oh My!

My full-keeled Morgan 33 O.I. doesn't snag them at all, but when I was running a 27 Catalina with a fin keel I managed to snag one just about every week. At the end of summer, the entire upper bay above Pooles Island is a minefield of crab pots, especially in depths of 5 to 15 feet, which is most of the area excluding the main channel.

As for the cutters, they work to some extent, but not always. And, they're expensive.

When I was running a 21 Proline powered with a 150 HP Yamaha outboard I wrapped a pot near the mouth of Whitehall Bay. That pot was a derelict and in 4 feet of water with no float attached. The line was floating just beneath the surface when I snagged it on my prop and wrapped the put around my prop and lower unit. The resulting damage set me back $1,600 for a replacement gear case and prop repair.

Keep in mind that according to a study done by VIMS, there are more than 1-million derelict crab pots in Chesapeake Bay. Despite claims to the contrary by commercial crabbers, those derelict pots kill something every day of the week. Not only do they kill crabs, they kill millions upon millions of finfish as well.

The crabber claim that once the pots are fouled with marine growth that nothing will enter them, therefore they are innocuous. The VIMS study clearly revealed this was definitely not the case. Large numbers of small to mid-size flounder, striped bass, white perch, yellow perch, Atlantic croaker, whelk, blue crab, spider crab, Atlantic puffer, and a host of lesser known species were found in the derelict traps.

Crabbers claimed while they lost approximately 30 percent of their pots every season, they didn't really pose a threat to the environment and that they would rot away in just a few months. Turns out that most of the newer crab pots are constructed of wire that is coated to prevent corrosion and rust. The VIMS study says these traps can last up to 10 years in the bay's marine environment, and maybe longer, thus compounding the problem.

At one time, VIMS and MD DNR put a bounty on derelict crab pots of $1 for each one retrieved. If my memory serves me correctly, a couple guys with grappling hooks picked up more than 4-thousand at the mouth of the Patuxent River alone. And, it only took them a couple days to do this. Both agencies have since removed the bounty program, claiming they ran out of funds.

Just another fun day in Paradise,

Gary
07-08-2013 04:32 PM
T37Chef
Re: Crab Pots in Channels, oh My!

I have a soft spot for the commercial crabbers & fisherman I suppose. Its $20, considering the money I pay to enjoy the boat $20 seems insignificant to be honest, at the time it seemed like the right thing to do and I would do the same thing again knowing what I know now.

$20 is like .002% of one "Boat Buck"! LOL
07-08-2013 03:26 PM
Coquina
Re: Crab Pots in Channels, oh My!

I have not caught a pot in ages on my sailboat. I did catch one with my powerboat and the trap got hauled into the prop and compressed. There were about 20 crabs smashed into something the size of a softball. A VERY nice gentleman towed me 10 miles home for free too It took some doing to cut all that mess off the prop.
07-08-2013 02:59 PM
BubbleheadMd
Re: Crab Pots in Channels, oh My!

Even though crab pots and pound-nets are prolific, I've only ever snagged a pot once, and that was on my rudder. At night. During a race.

After a moment's confusion, we simply pushed it down off of the rudder with a boathook and were on our way. I think a line cutter is over-kill, and not necessarily effective.
07-08-2013 02:19 PM
engineer_sailor
Crab Pots in Channels, oh My!

I haven't decided how I feel about line cutters on prop shafts, but do they work? Sounds like the result would be the same without the hassle of a swim...

Josh
07-08-2013 12:15 PM
Coquina
Re: Crab Pots in Channels, oh My!

+1
I would want to CHARGE $20 for untangling his floating obstacle, not PAY for it!
07-08-2013 09:13 AM
BubbleheadMd
Re: Crab Pots in Channels, oh My!

You're a nicer man than I am, Chef.

While I would never take crabs from a trap, (even one that I wrap around my prop), I would also never give money to a waterman who puts his traps in the marked channel. I call it an "occupational hazard".

I'd do my best to separate his gear from my boat without damaging either one, and be on my way. He can scream and b---h all he wants.

I'd also like to say that someone may have had some success in complaining about pots in the float-free channel in the West River. Most have been cleared out, and I've had no problem at all, entering and exiting the river.
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