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06-22-2013 08:01 AM
blutoyz
Re: Back stay boom supporter broke - now what?

Quote:
Originally Posted by TakeFive View Post
A topping lift doesn't need to ever be disconnected. You just loosen it if you want your boom a little lower. That's why it's so much better than the pigtail off the backstay.

I'm not saying that a boomkicker isn't a good thing - just that your comment makes it sound like you may be misuing your topping lift.
I have the pigtail off the backstay, it gets disconnected
06-21-2013 01:04 PM
Alex W
Re: Back stay boom supporter broke - now what?

95% of the time a topping lift doesn't need to be adjusted.

If it is just longer than the leech and light enough it will do the job without adjustment. When you raise sail the leech will slightly lift the boom and detension the topping lift, letting it blow out of the way. When you lower the sail the boom will drop a couple of inches until the topping lift does it's just.

I only have an adjustable topping lift because the Salish Sea has a lot of light air and I will tension the topping lift to avoid closing the mainsail leech when sailing in very light winds. I adjust it about once every 10 sailing days.
06-21-2013 12:59 PM
TakeFive
Re: Back stay boom supporter broke - now what?

Quote:
Originally Posted by blutoyz View Post
Thanks for the great thread...I was out in a blow on Monday and the topping lift was a PIA to connect up to drop the main. I do believe one of these bookickers are on the short list now
A topping lift doesn't need to ever be disconnected. You just loosen it if you want your boom a little lower. That's why it's so much better than the pigtail off the backstay.

I'm not saying that a boomkicker isn't a good thing - just that your comment makes it sound like you may be misuing your topping lift.
06-21-2013 12:49 PM
blutoyz
Re: Back stay boom supporter broke - now what?

Thanks for the great thread...I was out in a blow on Monday and the topping lift was a PIA to connect up to drop the main. I do believe one of these bookickers are on the short list now
06-20-2013 05:59 PM
knuterikt
Re: Back stay boom supporter broke - now what?

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Originally Posted by capttb View Post
Sorry, can't get past this part, how do you reef without pointing into the wind ?
Jeff beat me to it, but since you are asking.

My boat is a 38 feet boat with main sail area of 34 m2 (368 sq feet), inline spreaders, two line reef setup, lazy bag and a rigid vang.
The mast (or tack) reef line is attached to a ring in the sail and is led back to the cabin top winch. The clew ref line is a standard setup going to the opposite cabintop winch (alternate side's for each reef).

But this technique works on other boats also. We did this on a Hanse 470 (with swept spreaders and single line reef) a week ago while sailing upwind in a race (At one of the owners amazement - he wanted to head into the wind for reefing while racing)

We can do this at most point's of sail except DDW, you must not sail so deep that the sail will hang on the spreaders during the operation.

Here is the procedure.
  1. Put or keep the boat on a course where you can do the maneuver and have sufficient room/time to complete (preferably on starboard tack
  2. Tighten the topping lift (If you don't have a rigid vang)
  3. Ease the main sheet a little to take pressure off the sail.
  4. Ease the kicker so the boom have room to lift
  5. Slack the main halyard to preset mark (if no mark you must take it in increments - don't ease to much)
  6. Use the winch to haul in the tack (mast) reef line
  7. Use the winch to haul in the clew reef line
  8. (If you have single line reef only one line but more rope)
  9. You should not need to touch the halyard any more
  10. Sheet in
  11. Tighten kicker (if needed)
  12. Clear up all the lines
  13. Finished

My boat is tracking so good that i can do this singlehanded w/o any use of autopilot or engine, everything is done from the cockpit close to wheel and winches.

I prefer this method because
I get a more stable platform to work on than a boat bobbing on the waves
Don't loose much headway while doing it
06-20-2013 03:10 PM
Jeff_H
Re: Back stay boom supporter broke - now what?

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Originally Posted by capttb View Post
Thank you, I didn't understand how you'd lower the main while it was still under a load.
Sorry, about the 'dogbone' slang. Dogbones are the strops with D rings on each side and which pass through the reef cringles. A lot of mainsails have these when there are ram hooks for reefing on the boom. I have a line which starts below the gooseneck, runs through a shackle on it's side of the gooseneck, through the D ring, back through a guide shackle on the other side of the boom, down to the deck and back to a halyard lock at the cockpit.

This effectively acts as a low mechanical advantage cunningham. There is not much load on the luff except at the very end of tensioning the luff. On my 38 footer with a roughly 400 s.f. mainsail, I have been able to reef on a deep reach in winds approaching 30 knots without using a winch. I ultimately adjust the final luff tension with the halyard after 'two-blocking' the tack. If I had a bigger boat, I would probably rig something like a 4:1 or 6:1 cunningham tackle for each reef to still be able to reef easily.

Jeff
06-20-2013 02:25 PM
Faster
Re: Back stay boom supporter broke - now what?

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Originally Posted by SHNOOL View Post
Only 1 vote for a boomkicker besides me... Since I've not owned one, maybe they are more hassle then they are worth. My top lift is heavy 5/16... way bigger than it needs to be. 1/4 or smaller maybe I'd like it more.
I'd vote for a rigid vang/boom kicker too but it appeared that budget was going to be an issue. The f/g rod 'boomkicker' is about as trouble free as you can get - but suggest using the main halyard as a temporary TL because there's no real solid rigidity in support of the boom from the kicker itself if you fell against it.

btw a 'heavy' topping lift can have the advantage of being a spare main halyard if it's run through to the deck and not 'fixed'.
06-20-2013 02:15 PM
SHNOOL
Re: Back stay boom supporter broke - now what?

ccriders - John
That thought had occurred to me as well, if the pigtail went, what's the backstay look like?

Although one of the reasons the pigtails are frowned on, is because they get abused if you forget to unclip them and get into a nasty jibe/winshift. A great way to remove a backstay.

Only 1 vote for a boomkicker besides me... Since I've not owned one, maybe they are more hassle then they are worth. My top lift is heavy 5/16... way bigger than it needs to be. 1/4 or smaller maybe I'd like it more.
06-20-2013 01:46 PM
Alex W
Re: Back stay boom supporter broke - now what?

Matthew: Please share back on this thread (and maybe some of your others?) on how you do resolve the issue. That is a lot more helpful for people who find the thread via a search and is good for curious mind who wonder what you did.

thanks,
alex
06-20-2013 01:02 PM
Alex W
Re: Back stay boom supporter broke - now what?

You can easily have the main not under load while the jib is under load if you release the main sheet and keep the jib sheet tight.

We reef under sail doing that or by going hove-to (which also has the main pretty lightly loaded to avoid driving the boat off of it).
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