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09-30-2014 05:40 PM
Morild
Re: Is external rudder a good idea?

Here is a short video from last sunday, with the rudder doi'n it's job upwind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZzl...ature=youtu.be
08-01-2014 01:02 AM
socal c25
Re: Is external rudder a good idea?

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Originally Posted by barefootnavigator View Post
To anyone out there who's boat is suffering from weather helm I can help.
Tune your rig, if that doesn't work buy new sails, if that doesn't work learn to shape and trim your sails. if that doesn't if that doesn't work buy a new boat the guy who designed yours was completely incompetent. I'm just saying...it isn't rocket science.
YES... Number one cause of weather helm is over trimmed sails, Two is an improperly tuned rig.
07-31-2014 12:16 AM
barefootnavigator
Re: Is external rudder a good idea?

To anyone out there who's boat is suffering from weather helm I can help.
Tune your rig, if that doesn't work buy new sails, if that doesn't work learn to shape and trim your sails. if that doesn't if that doesn't work buy a new boat the guy who designed yours was completely incompetent. I'm just saying...it isn't rocket science.
07-30-2014 06:53 PM
AlaskaMC
Re: Is external rudder a good idea?

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Originally Posted by bobperry View Post
Capta:
I agree with you.
One thing about an outboard rudder is that it gets the head of the tiller out of the cockpit and this can free up cockpit space. It also moves the rudder planform aft and on a small boat this can help with directional stability. On a big boat with wheel steering there are some ways to control the outbpoard rudder but I have never seen one that I thought was not a bit clumsy. You have far more steering options with an inboard rudder.

The outboard rudder on my own 26'er was absolutely perfect.
So that is Perrywinkle. I have heard you mention the boat but never seen a pic. Very nice! What happened to her?

Oh yea, that was a hijack. I have a barn door on the back of my boat. Works great. Love it.
07-30-2014 05:06 PM
Morild
Re: Is external rudder a good idea?

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Originally Posted by Barquito View Post
Thanks for the follow-up. I like to see questions asked, answered, and verified in the real world... you haven't ventilated your rudder while heeled over, or broken it from a following sea, I hope?
First, I posted because I like to see follow-ups on questions asked, so I felt that it was a good idea, even though it is an old thread.
Ventilated... uhm yes maybe a bit but nothing broken, and the mounts are very solid so I feel quite confident about that part.
07-30-2014 05:03 PM
Morild
Re: Is external rudder a good idea?

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Originally Posted by bobperry View Post
Looks very nice to me.
Has been very nice to sail so far Bob
The boat was designed by a danish designer Jan Kjaerulf, who died about 8 years ago. He designed a lot of succesfull boats in his career, and with this I am very happy
07-30-2014 05:01 PM
Barquito
Re: Is external rudder a good idea?

Thanks for the follow-up. I like to see questions asked, answered, and verified in the real world... you haven't ventilated your rudder while heeled over, or broken it from a following sea, I hope?
07-30-2014 04:58 PM
bobperry
Re: Is external rudder a good idea?

Looks very nice to me.
07-30-2014 04:03 PM
Morild
Re: Is external rudder a good idea?

I eventually took ownership of a Nordship 808 with the external rudder.
After having sailed it during the summer i love it. It responds like a dinghy and allows for easy manuouvering in the habours.
Thanks for great advice.
I have enclosed a picture of the night in June when I took ownership of "Nordild" :-)
07-07-2013 09:17 PM
Classic30
Re: Is external rudder a good idea?

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Originally Posted by jak3b View Post
The Adams 13 had an outboard rudder as well.
The Adams 13 Metre Sailboat : Bluewaterboats.org
Many of Adam's designs did, especially his racers.. but the '20 was the largest of them all.

He seemed to believe that an outboard rudder was best for a racing yacht and an inboard rudder on a cruising yacht. Modern racing yacht design seems to have moved away from that now due to the 'ventilation' issues described by Rich.. but it hasn't necessarily made any difference in winning races.
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