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07-22-2013 11:25 AM
Re: Possible Trade for a boat...

Having owned a Catalina 22, a Catalina 25 and Catalina 27 and now a Capri 16, I am familiar with Catalina boats- My experience was that I loved my 22 and sailed it a LOT- I rigged it so I could control everything from the cockpit and it was fine for both my wife and I to weekend on.
My 25 lived in saltwater and I had a lot of maintance to keep after- generally, I did not like the way it sailed, found the cockpit very uncomfortable and the boat did not trim as well as I expected. We sailed it for about 5 yrs and sold it.
Our 27 was a nice little boat for inland waters and while I have read of people going offshore in one, I do not think I would want to venture too far from the shelf in a 27- below was comfortable for a 27' boat and for my wife and I and two young kids, it served us well but we missed blue water so sold her to purchase a Morgan 44.
As my sons hit their teens, both became heavily involved with sports and other pursuits so our weekends to the coast became less and less frequent till we decided to sell the boat.
Now that my middle son is a senior and his brother a year behind him, they both wanted to sail again and explore other lakes around us- they wanted something they could easily tow and launch on their own so we found a very nice little Capri 16 that they can use wherever the wish.
It all boils down to what do you realistically expect your use to be- but I would not trade any of my motorcycles for a Catalina 25, maybe a 27 but.....
07-22-2013 01:43 AM
Re: Possible Trade for a boat...

And this is the reason I post here. I'm definitely thinking that this isn't such a good idea. I think I should wait...sell the Harley, save the money and buy something a bit bigger that would make a little more sense to live on than a boat where I'm always crouching in. Thanks for the advice everyone. I really do appreciate it.

Btw, I contacted a relative of mine, the type that knows everyone. Said he had a friend in Berkeley that would love to take me out on his boat and teach me how to sail. So at least I'm getting closer to step one, which is learn to sail! Ha! Horse before the cart...learn to walk before you can run...and any other metaphor you wish to use!
07-21-2013 11:17 PM
Re: Possible Trade for a boat...

Originally Posted by rob_d View Post
Thus guy has had the boat for 4 months and hasn't transferred the title into his name yet...he's a bit of a free spirit.
I wouldn't touch it until the paperwork is in order.

Did he pay taxes on the previous transfer? That could be the free spirit's motivation for not transferring title and updating the registration (is the registration current?)

Been a while since I lived in CA but my memory is the franchise tax board has no sense of humor and a memory like a UNIVAC (dating myself). Probably worse now with the state debt climbing like honeysuckle in the spring.
07-21-2013 10:08 PM
Re: Possible Trade for a boat...

By way of reference, I bought my 1984 C25 for $1000, and that included the engine. I'd suggest that you sell the bike and see what you can get for it, then buy the boat with the bike money. The C25 is a great first boat, but I wouldn't want to live aboard it. Weekends? Sure. Maybe even a week cruise with a significant other. But much beyond that, and she's to small. Most C25's don't have showers. Most have porta-potties. Most don't have standing headroom unless you're on the short side (my 5'4" tall wife could stand, but I couldn't) or keep the pop-top up all the time. And there are issues with keeping the pop-top up, like making sure you have the screens and windows for when it rains/is hot. Oh, and speaking of heat, most C25's don't have A/C, and you'll probably want that in the summer.

All that being said, I bet if you go over to the Catalina 25 Owner's Association (Catalina - Capri - 25s International Association), you'll find someone who is living aboard. Take a look at his/her lifestyle. If it's for you, then maybe this isn't a bad deal. But, as others have said, beware the hidden costs (dock fees, maintenance fees, etc.).
07-21-2013 07:03 PM
Re: Possible Trade for a boat...

Originally Posted by rob_d View Post
In all honesty, it's probably only worth $3500. I was going to ask $4500 and see what I got. And thats probably a high estimate. I just don't want to get into a boat that's going to depreciate by half when I want to sell in a couple of years when I'm ready to upgrade. Mainly I'm looking to see how people really feel about the Catalina 25.
Ok, now we are getting somewhere. Keep in mind it is human nature to over value our possessions, so I will say your bike is likely worth 3000 (not an insult, just going by numbers for quick sale) Catalina 25's around here in the north east sell for around $2500 - 3000 if you want to sell quickly, unless they are mint, with new outboard, and new sails. So likely they it is not a bad trade for both parties. No one would be getting a smoking hot deal or anything for either party. Catalina is a great boat to learn on, and you could even likely do some coastal cruising if you are ok with minimal comforts. My understanding of California cruising though is there is not a lot of "coastal" meaning being able to duck into a port if it gets ugly. Not sure if it will fit your needs. For live aboard I would at least look for standing head room and a real head. Personally I would want pressure hot and cold water but I want to live the life! I would think living on a Catalina 25 would be better than being homeless but not a huge jump. Think living in a mini van with a porta-potty in the back.

The thing to understand is that major boat parts are expensive to replace. So you want to make sure the sails are in good shape, say less then 8 years old. Rigging should not be more than 10 years old if you expect it to have much life left. Both of those are going to be well over a boat buck ($1000) to replace with new, and could be a couple. New outboard will be a couple of grand.

By the way I agree I think the 883 is a great bike, but my ideal bike is a BMW R65 so what do I know? Just not a lot of demand for either, so prices can be depressingly low.
07-21-2013 02:32 PM
Re: Possible Trade for a boat...

Originally Posted by manatee View Post
Here's a discussion from a few years ago about Catalina 25, may help:

From what I've read, you will come out ahead if you take your time choosing a boat. How much experience do you have? Can you rent or take a class in a similar boat?
I read that post yesterday in fact. Good advice.
07-21-2013 02:28 PM
Re: Possible Trade for a boat...

Here's a discussion from a few years ago about Catalina 25, may help:

From what I've read, you will come out ahead if you take your time choosing a boat. How much experience do you have? Can you rent or take a class in a similar boat?
07-21-2013 02:27 PM
Re: Possible Trade for a boat...

When the previous owners traded the boat, hey put the sale price as $100. Thus guy has had the boat for 4 months and hasn't transferred the title into his name yet. He has her docked at a free dock in Berkeley/Oakland, so he's living on it with no power or water or anything. Like I said, he's a bit of a free spirit.
07-21-2013 02:21 PM
Re: Possible Trade for a boat...

Originally Posted by rob_d
Anyway, I'd love the feedback since everyone here has more knowledge than i do and have been a great sounding board!
DO NOT ASSUME THAT. For example, there are people who post here about how to buy a boat who themselves have never bought a boat. Same with cruising “offshore”, etc.

Internet forums are good for getting ideas and seeing what others have done but like all free advice, worth what you paid for it.

Opinions while possibly useful, are not knowledge.

There is always a market for a Catalina depending on condition. Lots of people like them which is great when you go to resell. Is the 25 pop top suitable for where you will be using it? My free opinion (see above) is that the 25 PT is an inland or very near coastal sailboat.

You can learn a lot by sailing this or any number of other boats in this size range. If you are starting from zero then the brand doesn't matter a whole lot. Sailing is not rocket science. Check the For Sale sites and see what they are asking and make some comparisons. As others have said, the motor is important.

Are there sales tax savings if you trade vs sell then buy? What is the value of having no selling expenses on the sale of the bike by trading it. Consider the savings of buying locally. Etc., etc.

Good luck.
07-21-2013 01:49 PM
Re: Possible Trade for a boat...

My .02 cents...

Both your bike and his boat are actually worth only what someone is willing to pay for them.

If you are just interested in learning how to sail and realize that the boat is nt going to make a live aboard... then maybe a good deal for you both.

Other things to think about though.
  • Does it have a an engine?Ad didn't state
  • Batteries
  • Are you prepared for dock fees, insurance, surveyor, mooring fees etc....

Not to make things complicated but they are nice boats to learn on and if the deal seems decent to you... then go forth......
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