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08-17-2013 05:35 PM
Chilton0585 Actually he told me to say that :-) i have no interest in catalinas lol. So far the bayfield 29 and the baba 30 are the best boats i went out on. Speed is not an issue to me. Secondary to how a boat feels and how safe she makes me feel. Hope to be able to take more out. Limitted choices in chicago.
08-17-2013 09:48 AM
Jeff_H
Re: Learning to sail w/o water....

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Originally Posted by Chilton0585 View Post
Cruisingdad has convined me that catalinas are the best boats in the world.

And you actually believed him.... I guess you do have a lot to learn.

Actually an older Catalina is not a bad first boat on a small lake, cheap to buy, hold value okay, sail decently. I also agree with the dinghy idea if you are reasonably physically fit and are good at physics (science) since you will learn faster than you will get frustrated.

Jeff
08-17-2013 09:16 AM
TJC45
Re: Learning to sail w/o water....

IMO, a small dinghy class sailboat IS the way to learn how to sail. AS dvu posted above it allows you to feel the boat. You will get instant feedback to any input. A larger keelboat will lack that feel. At the end of the day, all boats sail based on the same physics. Only the systems and complexity change. That's just boat handling that you would have to learn with each new boat you sail.

If you become competent dinghy sailor you can sail anything! IMO, you can do so better than those who have done nothing but sail large boats. Why? because you don't have any backup! There is no "iron sail" to help you out of a difficult situation. Spend a year sailing to a marina dock under sail, you will have confidence to handle any boat doing the same.

The Pearson 35's reputation as a excellent boat is confirmed by it's continued popularity. All boats have different sailing qualities. And, older boats will be found in a variety of condition. As well, on forums like this remember that you are reading opinions. For example, IMO, Pearson is a better boat than Bristol. That's not to say that there are one or two Bristol models that excel. And, Bayfields are pretty boats. That is, pretty slow! So remember, opinions, are just that.
08-17-2013 05:46 AM
dvuyxx
Re: Learning to sail w/o water....

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Originally Posted by Chilton0585 View Post

I took out a pearson 35, well, the person selling it took me out on her. I was looking at them because they're much bigger than the bayfield I went out on for half the price. Boy did I see why. The interior wasn't as pretty, and soon as the wind picked up I thought I was gonna die. Never been on a boat when it heeled over like that!
No need to defend Pearson 35's but keep in mind that it's a boat with a very long production run. So some interiors are going to be better than others. May not be for you (get a boat that speaks to you). As for heeling ... Not sure what the conditions were but that is typically a product of how the boat is being handled. Expect all keelboats to heel. Usually the degree of heel is up to you.

I agree with others' comments. When on the lake take advantage of any opportunity to sail small sailboats. They are the best way to "feel" the fundamentals.
08-17-2013 04:50 AM
Chilton0585
Re: Learning to sail w/o water....

Cruisingdad has convined me that catalinas are the best boats in the world.
08-16-2013 11:32 PM
Jeff_H
Re: Learning to sail w/o water....

There is a lot of good advise here, including my esteemed colleague's joke, "First Lesson: Don't listen to Jeff H". For one thing I tend to be very relativistic in my views of different designs, so while I think the small Bayfields are pretty crumby boats by any standard, in and of itself the Bristol 29.9 is not a bad boat. My criticism of the Bristol 29.9 is that it falls short on a lot levels compared to other designs by Halsey Herreshoff, whose work I genuinely admire, and it falls short of other designs of a similar length from this period which can be bought for a similar price such as the Bristol 33/34 or Tartan 30.My gripes with the Bristol 29.9 are my gripes with many boats of that era in that they are tender, have harder than ideal sail plans to handle, and they are not so good on a reach or run.

But if you found one in nice shape and the design appealed to you personally, that may be all that counts since you will be the person who owns and sails her, not I.

But all that said, there is great advice above about starting smaller and simpler. Also the cheapest way to learn is to sail with others. Get some experience under your belt and you won't need any of us to tell you what the right boat for you truly will be.

Just hang in there and enjoy the ride.

Jeff
08-16-2013 01:46 PM
Chilton0585
Re: Learning to sail w/o water....

Thanks for the replies, folks. I havnt been to Lake Jericho since I was a kid. So of course it seems much bigger that it likely is in my head! However I DO recall sailing lessons there in small sailing dinghies, so that is likely what I will do at first.

I have BEEN sailing before, I have just never done it myself. A few of my dives took me out on a sailboat, and I have looked at a few here in Winthrop harbor in Chicago.

I took out a pearson 35, well, the person selling it took me out on her. I was looking at them because they're much bigger than the bayfield I went out on for half the price. Boy did I see why. The interior wasn't as pretty, and soon as the wind picked up I thought I was gonna die. Never been on a boat when it heeled over like that!

Anyway, I will likely keep everyone apprised of what I do. As for my plan, I am going to spend the next year saving and learning all I can! Then I am going to find a 29-32ish foot boat and go to it. Doesnt matter where it is, I'll go to the boat, stay around there for 6 months or so learning all about her, then take her to the keys
08-16-2013 10:22 AM
rd1900
Re: Learning to sail w/o water....

Lake Jerico is about 5x the size of the little pond I sail my Laser on. Get a little boat, you'll learn to sail quickly. Sailing fundamentals are the same on any size boat. Get competent on a small boat, then move bigger. The sailing part will become second nature, and then you can learn the systems and boat handling of a bigger boat.
08-16-2013 09:30 AM
DRFerron
Re: Learning to sail w/o water....

I Googled. This might be a haul for you but it'll get you on the water if you don't mind the drive:

Home - Kentucky Lake Sailing Club
08-16-2013 09:17 AM
tomandchris
Re: Learning to sail w/o water....

Not sure what your timeline is on the boat or Lake Jerico (sp). The lake is a 137 acre body of water in a conservancy. If you had a Sunfish or something similar you could probably sail on it, but again not sure what if any wind there would be on the lake. I believe it is controlled by a dam so may be some current.

Get something small and go sailing.
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