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09-04-2013 12:21 AM
bristol299bob
Re: A philosophical divide?

i cant say that I loved changing my kids diapers, or cleaning up vomit, or staying up all night with them when they were sick or scared of thunder.

But I love being a dad. I never viewed those as chores, I just saw them as part of the deal ... its part of being a dad. I never dreaded them, or resented them, or saw them as things that were taking me away from playing catch with the kids or taking them to the park.

Knowing how to anchor safely, how to coil line, how to bleed a diesel, when to reef, bedding stanchions, organizing, running a jack line, replacing a throttle cable, reading the water, navigating (etc etc etc) to my mind, these are all part of being a sailor.

to my way of thinking, needing to replace that racor, or rebuild that water pump might be time away from sailing, but its not time away from being a sailor.

Oh and I too plan my chores and maintenance for the wintertime when possible. I agree it keeps you connected. And from a practical standpoint its a lot more pleasant working at the docks in winter here (less sweaty and fewer mosquitoes).
09-03-2013 09:21 PM
tdw
Re: A philosophical divide?

While we feel your pain when it comes to snow and icebound winters it does I suppose at least give you denizens of colder climes a nice line in the sand twixt work and sailing.

..... not to mention less UV damage.
09-03-2013 04:42 PM
bljones
Re: A philosophical divide?

I am surprised that the question prompted this much discussion, since it was primarily a throwaway post in the spirit of the LABOUR day weekend.
It's great to see the responses, and Mark is right, in his typically abrasive dismissive fashion- to some of us it IS a ridiculous question, because our frame of reference doesn't accept the idea that maintenance could be a process to be enjoyed, because the paradigm is that one uses a boat as a cruising instrument, and maintenance is a grudging obligation necessary to get to the next destination, or we're day sailors who view an hour of maintenance as an hour that could be better spent sailing, or whatever your "maintenance is the debbil" mindset is.



But, i think there are a whole lot of sailors, especially small water seasonal sailors, who are one step removed from boatbuilders- they'll constantly tinker and tweak and fix and refit a GOB- sometimes the sailing ins entirely secondary- i think there is at least one or two folks in every marina who spend years working on a boat on the hard, get her in the water, and at the end of the season the for sale sign is up, and they are on to the next project. These are people who enjoy the process, as much as, maybe more than, the result, like model railroaders who spend years build an HO scale layout in their basements, always adding more trees, another house, one more little waving person, who rarely run a train on the track.

We all probably know one or two aspiring cruisers who pulled the trigger on buying a boat with the goal of spending a year outfitting her and refitting her, and five years later they are still finding one more project that needs to be completed, or one more system that should be reworked, or... they got addicted to the process, and, like most addictions it happens without anybody realizing it has happened until boom, as a refit addict said to me, one morning you wake up and realize you don't own a shirt or a pair of cargo shorts without, paint, stain, epoxy or caulking dribbles on them.

There are boat jobs I don't love, but when your boat is on the hard six months out of the year because the water gets too solid to float a hull, maintenance gets you through those long winter months when you CAN'T sail. it keeps one connected to one's boat, even if at a remove.
09-03-2013 03:36 PM
Minnewaska
Re: A philosophical divide?

I often do maintenance that my local yard tards would screw up, if I left it to them. Sometimes, when they fail to show up as promised, I tell myself its just better that I don't have to fix what they fixed.
09-03-2013 02:59 PM
johnnyquest37
Re: A philosophical divide?

I enjoy doing regular maintenance, although not as much as sailing. For me, I owe the boat the time and effort to keep things in very good condition. Did I enjoy spending half a day last month re-tuning the rig/cleaning the turnbuckles/replacing cotter pins? Yeah, a little, but I really enjoyed the noticably improved performance. Do I enjoy inspecting and tightening the engine mounting bolts every month? Not really, but I really enjoy the peace of mind I have knowing that the maintenance on the engine is up to date. I have a fairly detailed maintenance schedule and I am pretty disciplined about keeping maintenance current.

Most maintenance pays for itself, not just in terms of dollars, but in increased performance, increased reliability, time saved in the long term, resale value, and peace of mind. Last thing I want to when sailing is be worried that something I have neglected is might be about to break at the worst possible time.
09-03-2013 02:49 PM
GrummanPilot
Re: A philosophical divide?

A lot of maintenance is just a chore, no fun at all.

But other maintenance projects are an oportunity to improve the boat. It can involve making a modification to make it work better, relocating it to fit my preferances, or replacing it with something better. That type of maintenance is much more enjoyable.

And in the process, the boat slowly transforms into my boat.
09-03-2013 02:02 PM
outbound
Re: A philosophical divide?

New boat and ignorant owner
Will pay for maintenance. But will watch and learn. That way when something breaks and there is no yard around maybe I can fix it. Also money not spent on boat is spent on admiral. Everyone happy.
09-03-2013 01:30 PM
Seaduction
Re: A philosophical divide?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SloopJonB View Post
GREAT line.
No credit here, the quote was from this gentleman:

Nothing is really work unless you would rather be doing something else.
James Matthew Barrie, Sr.
09-03-2013 11:30 AM
SloopJonB
Re: A philosophical divide?

Quote:
Originally Posted by wingNwing View Post
As Seaduction said, its only work if you can think of something you'd rather be doing...
GREAT line.
09-03-2013 08:33 AM
Minnewaska
Re: A philosophical divide?

I prefer to be sailing when I have the time and weather to allow it.

I like to maintain my boat, when I don't have one or the other. Winter is the best time for maintenance, but there are plenty of things that force mid-season care. I will also pay others to maintain the boat, if the task is either beyond my capabilities or would take too much time away from sailing. I keep the cockpit table and some cockpit trim varnished, but the rest goes grey. The balance works for me.

I find that maintaining the ship is the absolute best way to get to know her. You may be the only way to get her fixed offshore, so knowing her is important in my book. I hate to think how well I have gotten to know her so far. If I didn't have to dig into engines, electrical systems, waste systems, etc, I wouldn't even know where half that stuff was behind the panels.
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