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01-22-2014 03:21 PM
pforeman98
Re: I Think I Found The Right Boat

What was involved in replacing the keel bolts?
10-08-2013 06:21 PM
bfloyd4445
Re: I Think I Found The Right Boat

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Originally Posted by jimgo View Post
In the end, if you are happy with what you're paying for the boat, then who cares what the rest of us think? I'm not being a smart-alec (for a change) - if you think the boat is worth $40,000, and others say it's only worth $4,000, who cares as long as you're happy paying $40,000 for it? The bigger question will be, how upset will you be if you find out that someone else bought a C27 that's basically the same age and in basically the same condition, but without all the "extras" (many of which you may not use) for half what you paid? Or, how upset will you be if the engine dies three days into you owning the boat and it costs you several thousand to get it repaired (not that I have any experience with this...)? Will you be pissed because you didn't bargain harder, or move on to a different boat (which may or may not not have had the same problems)? Are you OK with the possibility that in 2 years you'll decide that either a) you hate sailing/don't get enough use out of the C27 and need to sell the boat or b) you absolutely love sailing and are ready to move up to a C30 or other such boat, and either way you may only be able to sell the boat for the $5,000-$6,000 that most other C27's are selling for?

If you can accept these kinds of things happening, then as others have said, what are you waiting for? If you're going to kick yourself if these things come up, then you need to start negoitating or walk away.
that's it in a nutshell. Either swallow this baby hook line and anchor or just move on to the next one
10-08-2013 05:28 PM
jimgo
Re: I Think I Found The Right Boat

In the end, if you are happy with what you're paying for the boat, then who cares what the rest of us think? I'm not being a smart-alec (for a change) - if you think the boat is worth $40,000, and others say it's only worth $4,000, who cares as long as you're happy paying $40,000 for it? The bigger question will be, how upset will you be if you find out that someone else bought a C27 that's basically the same age and in basically the same condition, but without all the "extras" (many of which you may not use) for half what you paid? Or, how upset will you be if the engine dies three days into you owning the boat and it costs you several thousand to get it repaired (not that I have any experience with this...)? Will you be pissed because you didn't bargain harder, or move on to a different boat (which may or may not not have had the same problems)? Are you OK with the possibility that in 2 years you'll decide that either a) you hate sailing/don't get enough use out of the C27 and need to sell the boat or b) you absolutely love sailing and are ready to move up to a C30 or other such boat, and either way you may only be able to sell the boat for the $5,000-$6,000 that most other C27's are selling for?

If you can accept these kinds of things happening, then as others have said, what are you waiting for? If you're going to kick yourself if these things come up, then you need to start negoitating or walk away.
10-08-2013 04:47 PM
azguy
Re: I Think I Found The Right Boat

Here's a picture of the Catalina 27' I'm talking about. I think this picture will demonstrate just how littered with extra's this boat is...

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10-08-2013 04:24 PM
Alex W
Re: I Think I Found The Right Boat

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Yep this is one of the big ones. We looked at a few boats that we could tell had deck core problems even from simple inspections around deck penetrations and in one case just by walking around on the deck. A better way to find things that can't been seen or felt would be a valuable tool. The boat we found, an M25 makes this really easy to check for as everything is inspect able from the inside which will not be the case on the C27.
On the Catalina 25 it is trivial to inspect all fittings from the interior. The headliner is bonded to the deck as a single hard piece, so deck fittings are easily visible inside the cabin. This goes for stanchions too, they are just behind a piece of vertical trim to hide them from direct sight, but you can look around it and see them.

I haven't looked closely enough at a Catalina 27 to see if this aspect of the construction is similar.
10-08-2013 02:40 PM
bfloyd4445
Re: I Think I Found The Right Boat

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Yep this is one of the big ones. We looked at a few boats that we could tell had deck core problems even from simple inspections around deck penetrations and in one case just by walking around on the deck. A better way to find things that can't been seen or felt would be a valuable tool. The boat we found, an M25 makes this really easy to check for as everything is inspect able from the inside which will not be the case on the C27.

I wonder though if the boat has been in Arizona the whole time, in freshwater, could this be like one of those 1960s cars that can be found in the desert in unbelievable condition. That would be very nice. Up here everything is always either wet or frozen.
I think blistering happens faster in fresh water than salt. If on the hard what about the effect of the hot hot Arizona desert weather beating down year after year without the moderating influence of cool water.
10-08-2013 01:04 AM
AlaskaMC
Re: I Think I Found The Right Boat

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Originally Posted by ericb760 View Post
I've watched quite a few surveys and paid for several more. I think that the most important tool I've ever seen used was a rubber mallet to test hull and deck integrity, especially around deck hardware and through-hulls. I've backed out of deals based on these simple results indicating core problems that could not be seen or felt.
Yep this is one of the big ones. We looked at a few boats that we could tell had deck core problems even from simple inspections around deck penetrations and in one case just by walking around on the deck. A better way to find things that can't been seen or felt would be a valuable tool. The boat we found, an M25 makes this really easy to check for as everything is inspect able from the inside which will not be the case on the C27.

I wonder though if the boat has been in Arizona the whole time, in freshwater, could this be like one of those 1960s cars that can be found in the desert in unbelievable condition. That would be very nice. Up here everything is always either wet or frozen.
10-08-2013 12:53 AM
ericb760
Re: I Think I Found The Right Boat

I've watched quite a few surveys and paid for several more. I think that the most important tool I've ever seen used was a rubber mallet to test hull and deck integrity, especially around deck hardware and through-hulls. I've backed out of deals based on these simple results indicating core problems that could not be seen or felt.
10-07-2013 04:02 PM
AlaskaMC
Re: I Think I Found The Right Boat

I would get a list from Cat 27 owners of common issues with the boat that should be inspected. Check out the Catalina owners groups and you should be able to get the show stoppers and how to recognize them. Then armed with info and appropriate tools, get the boat pulled and go for it. The $500 to see the bottom is worth it and just part of buying a keel boat. I bet all is great especially with a freshwater boat but take a look.

I understand the survey suggestion, but when you get below 10K and on a <30 boat I think the equation gets harder. BUT, know how to make sure the vessel is at least sound (rigging, motor, keel etc) and then...

GO SAIL IT LIKE YOU STOLE IT!
10-07-2013 02:52 PM
caberg
Re: I Think I Found The Right Boat

For what it's worth--

We bought our 1981 26' Seafarer with an inboard diesel last August for $6,300 and did not have a survey. (Though it was on the hard at the time of purchase.) You can educate yourself quite a bit on what and how to inspect. Based on what you wrote above, I would do my own inspection over paying and trusting someone with doubtful qualifications.
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