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10-12-2013 09:13 PM
smurphny
Re: What sailboats could survive a full blown hurricane at sea?

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Originally Posted by SloopJonB View Post
Might have been the Caine Mutiny. The storm in that book actually happened after the battle of Leyte. The returning American fleet got caught in what was, at the time, the worst storm ever recorded (lowest barometric pressure). Several Destroyers were lost.

If I had to choose a small boat to survive a hurricane I think I would choose one of those foam filled, unsinkable Etaps.
Might have been. Will have to search around and find where that section came from. It was a really haunting description, in the middle of a raging storm, of one warship looking out ahead and coming upon one that had capsized. Really presented a vivid and disturbing scene that has stuck with me.
10-12-2013 08:47 PM
kjango
Re: What sailboats could survive a full blown hurricane at sea?

Make all the boat lists you want , but the thing that most makes a boat seaworthy is the person sailing her. There's no magic pill to get you through 30 foot seas. The best regarded blue water vessel ill managed at sea isn't worth spit . Conversely , a lessor boat skillfully handled might make a miracle .
10-12-2013 08:44 PM
SloopJonB
Re: What sailboats could survive a full blown hurricane at sea?

Might have been the Caine Mutiny. The storm in that book actually happened after the battle of Leyte. The returning American fleet got caught in what was, at the time, the worst storm ever recorded (lowest barometric pressure). Several Destroyers were lost.

If I had to choose a small boat to survive a hurricane I think I would choose one of those foam filled, unsinkable Etaps.
10-12-2013 08:39 PM
smurphny
Re: What sailboats could survive a full blown hurricane at sea?

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"three destroyers capsized and sank"

There is a big difference between a small destroyer and a big battleship or an aircraft carrier. I said "battleship, one of the big ones".

and I would not like to be on a force 5 hurricane on any boat (or anywhere for that matter). I just said that If I had to, I would prefer to be on a big battleship than in a small sailboat.

But there are all kinds of tastes: If needed do you prefer to face one on a small sailboat than on a big battleship? I am with Bob, I bet they still can cook under the hurricane on the big ship

Regards

Paulo
For sure. One factor mentioned about ships that capsized and sank was the fact that top-heavy equipment/weight was added, the same criticism that was cited in the Perfect Storm sword boat that was lost. I see a lot of commercial boats that OBVIOUSLY have way too much weight up high. A lot of this kind of modification seems to be done with not much though to stability engineering.
10-12-2013 08:30 PM
smurphny
Re: What sailboats could survive a full blown hurricane at sea?

I think it was one of Michner's books, maybe Tales of the South Pacific, that has a great fictional/historical account of this storm and what it must have been like to come upon the tragic sight of the wrong side of a destroyer from the deck of a sister ship.
10-12-2013 08:24 PM
PCP
Re: What sailboats could survive a full blown hurricane at sea?

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The USN would disagree with the idea that warships are safe in a typhoon. In 1944 a number of ships were capsized and lost in Typhoon Cobra. Typhoon Cobra (1944) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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"three destroyers capsized and sank"

There is a big difference between a small destroyer and a big battleship or an aircraft carrier. I said "battleship, one of the big ones".

and I would not like to be on a force 5 hurricane on any boat (or anywhere for that matter). I just said that If I had to, I would prefer to be on a big battleship than in a small sailboat.

But there are all kinds of tastes: If needed do you prefer to face one on a small sailboat than on a big battleship? I am with Bob, I bet they still can cook under the hurricane on the big ship

Regards

Paulo
10-12-2013 08:19 PM
bobperry
Re: What sailboats could survive a full blown hurricane at sea?

OK, fine. Then I won't go to sea in a warship. That settles it.
10-12-2013 08:18 PM
Tenoch
Re: What sailboats could survive a full blown hurricane at sea?

Read "Rescue in the Pacific". Great book, not a hurricane, but a nasty storm none-the-less. All but one of the 'boats' survived it. It was the people that didn't.
10-12-2013 08:09 PM
smurphny
Re: What sailboats could survive a full blown hurricane at sea?

The USN would disagree with the idea that warships are safe in a typhoon. In 1944 a number of ships were capsized and lost in Typhoon Cobra.

There are too many variables to say which boats would survive a hurricane. In a class 5 hurricane in the dangerous quadrant, essentially NO sailboat would be likely to survive. Currents, types of wave action, proficiency of the captain and crew, equipment on board, strategies for dealing with big seas, and whether you've pissed off Neptune...all variables making huge differences in ability to handle bad weather. It's not just the boat.

An Alberg 35 survived the Fastnet storm by just taking sails down and going below with bare poles.
10-12-2013 07:56 PM
mad_machine
Re: What sailboats could survive a full blown hurricane at sea?

maybe not breaking it's back.. but my father rememebers seeing the intrepid with her flightdeck even with the water... and he was on an LST. The carrier sailors joked that people on his ship should have gotten Submarine pay as they spent most of the time under the waves.

From what he tells of the story, they were taking 50 degree rolls.. LSTs are only supposed to take 40 before the capsize.

I know of the Westsail that survived the perfect storm.. and a few Alberg 37s that survived some serious weather. Two that went through the Fast Net Gale with minimal damage and one that wound up beached with only scratches from a hurricane
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