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08-07-2014 10:38 PM
asdf38
Re: Handling Anchor/Rode with no Locker

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Originally Posted by johnnyandjebus View Post
asdf38

Good stuff. I am starting to take another hard look at my anchor setup on my co_26. Currently using 1/2 3 strand but it is only 100 feet with about 50 feet of chain, not enough. Both are old and need replacing. I am considering 8-plait, good to hear you like the setup. When you say store under cabin floor floor do you mean you are lifting the sunken "floor board" between the galley and ice box and storing just forward of the battery? Or are you storing the rode in the locker in the center of the V berth found under the forward hatch?

Currently I am storing the anchor aft and the rode/chain in the V berth locker under the forward hatch. It requires me to drag the anchor forward and assemble in the V berth before pulling everything up thru the forward hatch. Works ok, I don't anchor enough for it to matter either way. Only problem being I don't have my anchor setup for quick deployment. Not a big deal as I would only need it if the engine quits in the harbour and my setup there, relative to wind direction, means I could easily retreat under sail if needed.


John
Hey Johnny.

Yes, under the floor panel forward of the battery. So I just got out tonight to bring out the new rode and log carrier (having previously confirmed that the anchor would fit).

So pictured below is a 16lb hinged cqr/plow style anchor, 200' 1/2" 8-plait, and 15' 1/4" chain. It fits nice and even pushes forward a bit to leave a nice chunk of storage space remaining. Though there isn't much clearance between the plow and the floor panel. Note that I had a fiberglass insert under this panel before which I removed. It was like a tub that kept things from sitting directly on the bottom, but cost a ton of storage space in the process.

Not too cheap but not a ton more than the braided, and for our boat space everywhere is at a premium. The rode I removed, and I have no idea why someone chose it for this boat, was 175' of 3/4" rode with 3/8" chain. It was a monster. So removing that and getting the anchor in that space (which I had never found a use for previously) frees up the entire port v-birth locker which is nice.

My smaller anchor is a danforth with 80' of braided 3/8" rode (no chain), in the starboard cockpit locker. That rode isn't really adequate but it does make it small and light for quick deployment. And I have another braided ~100' rode which could be attached to either anchor.

Here is a picture of the big anchor underneath (note I tied off the bitter end to the log carrier handle which seemed like a smart way to not lose track of it in the bag). Sorry about rotation, too lazy to fix it.



Going forward I'm still considering adding a deck inspection plate or hawse pipe going into that space all the way forward of the V-birth. If I did that I'd attach this rode to the danforth (maybe a new fortress?) and mount the danforth permanently on the bow rail.

Though again, like you, I don't even actually anchor very often.


The rode is this:
Defender Pre-Made Anchor Rode - 8 Plait Rope Spliced to High Test Chain

Log carrier:
Amazon.com : Panacea 15251 Canvas Log Tote, Black : Log Carriers : Patio, Lawn & Garden Amazon.com : Panacea 15251 Canvas Log Tote, Black : Log Carriers : Patio, Lawn & Garden


08-07-2014 06:47 PM
johnnyandjebus
Re: Handling Anchor/Rode with no Locker

asdf38

Good stuff. I am starting to take another hard look at my anchor setup on my co_26. Currently using 1/2 3 strand but it is only 100 feet with about 50 feet of chain, not enough. Both are old and need replacing. I am considering 8-plait, good to hear you like the setup. When you say store under cabin floor floor do you mean you are lifting the sunken "floor board" between the galley and ice box and storing just forward of the battery? Or are you storing the rode in the locker in the center of the V berth found under the forward hatch?

Currently I am storing the anchor aft and the rode/chain in the V berth locker under the forward hatch. It requires me to drag the anchor forward and assemble in the V berth before pulling everything up thru the forward hatch. Works ok, I don't anchor enough for it to matter either way. Only problem being I don't have my anchor setup for quick deployment. Not a big deal as I would only need it if the engine quits in the harbour and my setup there, relative to wind direction, means I could easily retreat under sail if needed.


John
08-07-2014 01:01 PM
asdf38
Re: Handling Anchor/Rode with no Locker

So it's over a year later and one small improvement I settled on was to buy a nylon log carrier (about $12 on Amazon) to carry both the anchor and the rode.

I think this is a pretty decent idea which will make my life easier.

I also replaced the rode on my bigger anchor, which was over-sized by about 2 sizes on both chain and rode. And it wasn't even that long (150') yet was incredibly heavy and bulky.

With the new defender pre-made 1/2" 8-plait 215' rode, which is much more compact, I'll be able to move the bigger anchor and rode from the V-birth to the bilge under the cabin floor - in the log carrier. Not perfect but still pretty quick to retrieve , and far better than under the V-birth cushions.

The small anchor (which also has an incorrectly sized rode - but is too small), still lives in the cockpit locker.
10-31-2013 11:24 AM
Group9
Re: Handling Anchor/Rode with no Locker

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Originally Posted by Delta-T View Post
Walmart carries stainless steal cable ties. Of all places to find something like that for a reasonable price!! Kind of like a CV boot clamp on a car or Quad. They started carrying then in the last year. Garden Bender 11" Cable Tie, 100 lb, Stainless Steel, 10pk: TV & Video : Walmart.com
That's what I like about his site! Thanks, I'll be checking those out.
10-31-2013 09:39 AM
Delta-T
Re: Handling Anchor/Rode with no Locker

Walmart carries stainless steal cable ties. Of all places to find something like that for a reasonable price!! Kind of like a CV boot clamp on a car or Quad. They started carrying then in the last year. Garden Bender 11" Cable Tie, 100 lb, Stainless Steel, 10pk: TV & Video : Walmart.com
10-31-2013 09:28 AM
Group9
Re: pail

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Originally Posted by bfloyd4445 View Post
I admit I have used cable ties also but they often break and we shouldn't use them. Better to use wire. I've been thinking of using locktite. Locktite holds really well and can be undone with a wrench.
True. The reason I use cable ties is that they are easy to keep handy, are easy to use, and easy to cut loose when you are done.

Most of the time, what causes cable ties to break, is due to UV exposure and breakdown. Using black cable ties, and the fact that they are underwater, both help this from being as serious an issue. They can be cut and abraded, but not that easily.
10-30-2013 06:54 PM
bfloyd4445
Re: pail

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Originally Posted by Group9 View Post
Usually cable ties.
I admit I have used cable ties also but they often break and we shouldn't use them. Better to use wire. I've been thinking of using locktite. Locktite holds really well and can be undone with a wrench.
10-30-2013 05:22 PM
Group9
Re: pail

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Originally Posted by asdf38 View Post
My shackle is ceased shut and I was about to pry it open when it occurred to me that I should probably have monel ceasing wire on hand to secure it in the future. Well I haven't gotten that yet so I've just left the chain attached.

When you shackle and unshackle are you using ceasing wire or anything else?
Usually cable ties.
10-30-2013 12:25 PM
nighthawk
Re: Handling Anchor/Rode with no Locker

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Originally Posted by Delta-T View Post
This is what has been on my boat for 44 years, has never leaked. Made for securing the chain (you should have chain leader) through the deck and has a hook on the underside of the cover to hold the cover down and chain up.

http://www.boatersland.com/sdg322070.html?gclid=CL6A6Oi2vLoCFel_QgodaH0AMQ[/IMG]

This is what I have on Wind Angel. I like the setup and it works well. Especially like the chain hook on the underside since I usually travel with the rode unattached and anchor tied down seperately. My issue is with an overly small stowage area underneath the cover.
10-29-2013 12:39 PM
mad_machine
Re: pail

Quote:
Originally Posted by asdf38 View Post
My shackle is ceased shut and I was about to pry it open when it occurred to me that I should probably have monel ceasing wire on hand to secure it in the future. Well I haven't gotten that yet so I've just left the chain attached.

When you shackle and unshackle are you using ceasing wire or anything else?
you may want to consider some anti-seize on that shackle with the wire. you may never know when you want to take it apart
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