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11-10-2013 02:13 PM
christian.hess
Re: Thinking of Losing My Inboard

x2 go slow and explore...its a sad world today when people recomend 50 hp inboards on a 30 footer as mandatory...

those are usually the guys you see spending $500 every refuel and have all their decks completely covered in fuel tanks, the amount of time I spent tying off fuel tanks every time we left port and hauling and carrying them in places were you had to taxi to the fuel station made leaving port the hardest part of cruising...

today patience is simply non existent in 95% of sailors...less than 8-10knots and bam diesel genny it is...

and they are proud of it! on a SAILBOAT

peace
11-10-2013 01:56 PM
barefootnavigator
Re: Thinking of Losing My Inboard

I am going to have to say plus one for going engine-less. If you have an excellent boat and some patience its well worth the rewards. I live and sail at 48 degrees, we have fog, heavy currents lots of wind, shoals a huge amount of traffic shipping lanes everywhere and all in inland waters. Its a huge challenge and has its moments, like the night I was becalmed half a mile from the harbor sitting in the snow for several hours freezing my but off but still worth it. I'm sailing the inside passage in the spring engine-less, most people motor the whole way and miss everything. There is an art to going slow and working with the currents and weather, its called sailing
11-10-2013 11:39 AM
casioqv
Re: Thinking of Losing My Inboard

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I'd like to point out that just because one HAS an engine, doesn't mean one needs to USE an engine. Just as one who flies with a parachute doesn't do so with the intention of using it.
This is a good point, but I tried keeping my outboard down in a cockpit locker and found myself mounting it when things really got difficult. Removing the option changed everything- I had to start being a lot more conservative and careful knowing that the engine wasn't there to bail me out. I was forced to learn how to both avoid and deal with situations I never would have learned to handle with a backup engine aboard.

Even still, I think I would bring an outboard on a trip if any of my crew weren't fully committed to the idea of engineless sailing and the extra risk and time involved.
11-10-2013 10:09 AM
bljones
Re: Thinking of Losing My Inboard

Good points, casio.
Personally, I think the freedom is what makes sailing enjoyable, not the limitations.

I'd like to point out that just because one HAS an engine, doesn't mean one needs to USE an engine. Just as one who flies with a parachute doesn't do so with the intention of using it.
But, just as with that parachute, there are times when it is really, really nice to have a secondary means of propulsion- like in a marina fairway with the wind blowing the wrong way, and a SeaRay chugging towards you down the center of the fairway.

Further, being engineless limits your cruising grounds. Damn tough to do the Erie canal in a 30' boat with a sculling oar, for example. You CAN do it, maybe, but it will shorten your cruising season north, and Oneida lake can be a tough slog under oars.
11-10-2013 02:31 AM
casioqv
Re: Thinking of Losing My Inboard

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For every LinandLarry, who have successfully cruised for years relatively engineless (they have been known to beg a tow into a harbour from time to time, and their O/B powered dinghy occasionally is employed as a tug), there is a Chrisandcate who tried the engineless life and now live on the dirt.
Accepting a tow once in a while doesn't mean the Pardey's can't really sail engineless, or that engineless sailing is somehow impossible. The Pardeys don't put themselves in situations where they'd be in danger without a tow- just that they might find themselves waiting several extra days for the right weather, or sculling for many miles in a dead calm.

There are downsides and risks to not carrying an engine, but many benefits as well. Yes it's hard and a lot of people who try never manage to make it work out. If it wasn't hard enough that there was a significant chance of failure, there would be no challenge and it wouldn't be worth doing.

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Frankly, I prefer self-sufficiency over relying on the kindness of others. Just as a craftsman does his best work when he has the widest possible variety of tools, so a sailor should feel no qualms about having as many tools as possible to make a voyage as successful as possible.
Then why not take your voyages in an airplane instead? It would certainly give you a better chance of success at arriving at a destination. Aren't the limitations and challenges of sailing what make it enjoyable and rewarding?
11-09-2013 11:58 PM
christian.hess
Re: Thinking of Losing My Inboard

exactly duchess...intended purpose and what is you cruising grounds...

you do not need a motor to sail mostly offshore...this has been proven a gazillion times...now if you want to stop at every reef in the med or go up canals and stuff or cruise easily in high latitude you are taing a bigger risk than somebody with a healthy big diesel..

its like arguing whats better for breaking ice, fibverglass or a thick steel boat...most all would say the steel boat...that DOESNT mean you cant cruise an break some thin ice with a reinforced glass boat

different strokes is EXACTLY right...
11-09-2013 11:28 PM
duchess of montrose
Re: Thinking of Losing My Inboard

i think you also have to realize that the pardeys do mainly offshore sailing. it is a lot more feasible to sail offshore engine less than it is in busy constricted channels inshore. I have done it. I think i am a better sailor for doing it, but it was stressful figuring out how to tack up a channel in a boat that wouldn't point for **** because the rigging was super loose and there were party ships coming up the channel every two minutes, going against a 3 knot current. That was a difficult situation, not one that i enjoyed in the moment but one that i am glad i had its also why while i seldom use my engine my boat has an electric start outboard.
11-09-2013 10:47 PM
captain jack
Re: Thinking of Losing My Inboard

ok. I can't deny the wisdom of that.
11-09-2013 10:42 PM
bljones
Re: Thinking of Losing My Inboard

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what is so insane about not having a motor? during the age of sail, when sailboats were used every day and to travel around the world, everyone went without motors.
and the world around them was designed for motorless sailing.


Such is not currently the case. In fact, many marinas will not let you enter and exit under sail.
For every LinandLarry, who have successfully cruised for years relatively engineless (they have been known to beg a tow into a harbour from time to time, and their O/B powered dinghy occasionally is employed as a tug), there is a Chrisandcate who tried the engineless life and now live on the dirt.


Frankly, I prefer self-sufficiency over relying on the kindness of others. Just as a craftsman does his best work when he has the widest possible variety of tools, so a sailor should feel no qualms about having as many tools as possible to make a voyage as successful as possible.
11-09-2013 11:32 AM
captain jack
Re: Thinking of Losing My Inboard

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Originally Posted by chrisncate View Post
No, god no, don't. I was asking as I was just wondering if you had maybe gotten infected by either authors blather and bad advice regarding going motorless.

Forget I mentioned them, these aren't the droids you're looking for.

(Pick up a nice Hal Roth book if you are in the mood for some practical cruising reading/advice)
what is so insane about not having a motor? during the age of sail, when sailboats were used every day and to travel around the world, everyone went without motors. I don't see why the idea of doing so, now, is so crazy?

they aren't the only ones that have cruised without motors, either. people have circumnavigated, in modern history, without the safety net of a motor. different strokes...
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