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10-29-2013 11:23 AM
plessard
Re: need rudder part for 1951 Beetle Boat Gull

I found the your photos on-line and they give me the information I've been trying to find! My boat is the same, just a couple of feet shorter. My seats are mahogany. That piece of lucite on the foredeck of yours is not original. You should be able to have a mast made up from Dwyer Masts. The hole in the deck for mine is 2.0 x 2.25" and they seem to have a mast shape that would fit that.
10-28-2013 04:34 PM
boatshell
Re: need rudder part for 1951 Beetle Boat Gull

I shot some photos of the rudder and hardware and then decided I'd edit photos I took a few years ago of the Gull. I don't believe I have yet mastered uploading any photos to (wherever the should go). I can try uploading them for this message, but I am an new/infrequent poster, so that may not yet be allowed.

I just realized that I cannot yet post links, so I won't. You might have results if you type something like Beetle Gull rudder into a search engine. I've put the photos on a photo site (can I give name or is that a link?). I guess you could just complete "Yellow Shafted ------" to get the place.

I've not gotten to fix mine up. Well, to sail, it will need a mast and boom. I've tried spars from other boats, but the opening is rather narrow. Can anyone tell me the dimensions of the mast and boom? I'd guess it would want to be about 18' tall. What are those of you sailing your Gulls using for spars? Sail?
Thanks
PS My photos are sized to large for posting here. I'll try to resize when I can
10-27-2013 08:45 AM
plessard
Re: need rudder part for 1951 Beetle Boat Gull

I would love to see a photo of the rudder hardware. If you can't post it, could you e-mail it to me at:secure57@comcast.net? I don't know how old mine is, the transom plate says it was made by Beetle Boat Co. in New Bedford, MA. I think that was where they were originally made. It's a great little boat. The only info I have is a sales pamphlet.
10-26-2013 05:45 PM
boatshell
Re: need rudder part for 1951 Beetle Boat Gull

Dunne and Hipster001 -- I too have a (Carl) Beetle Gull, so I understand what you are saying with regard to the original hardware for the rudder. Odd setup.

There is some information on the Catboat page (I don't know the link offhand, but can find it). One fellow (name is on file) from "FancyNancy" boatyard fixed up a Beetle Swan and a Beetle Gull. His photos are online. He also wrote up some of the history from the book _Heart of Glass_. When I first got my Gull, I didn't know what it was, but knew that is was a OLDIE. So heavy. DENSE and thick like cast iron.

I was determined to find out what the boat was (I used to "waste time" persusing sailboat sites, ads, and CL). Then I spotted the hull and it was the rehabilitated Gull from the fellow I mentioned above. He is in Georgia, I believe. In restoring his Gull, he swapped out the old rail (track) system and for the conventional pintle and gudgeon set up.

If I recall correctly (but it's online), the boat was made by Carl Beetle around 1959 and was one of the first (not the very first) production glass sailboats. It was apparently baked in the GE ovens (perhaps Pittsfield, MA). Either in the book The Heart of Glass or in the Georgia restorer's narrative, there is a story of how, to convince prospective buyers about the reliability of this new material, C. Beetle fires gunshots into the hull. Sounds like something my father might have done.

Beetle (Fairhaven, MA) was ahead of his time and lost money on his glass boats. His boat company was sold and that company continued to build the wooden Beetle Cats.

My Gull is in need of restoration. It has the centerboard, thwart, and the rudder with hardware. No mast, boom or sail.

I can photograph the rudder track parts and (try to) put them here if anyone is interested.
I think I will part will my Gull as I've got too many boats and projects.
Another odd ball rudder set up is to be found on the Boston Whaler Squall -- another sail-row-motor dinghy. I've got one of those too, but no sail rig (yet). The Squall's rudder has a very long pintle that fits into a sort of "built-in" slot inside the transom. Try reproducing that at home I've heard that the BW Squall is not so good at sailing, but makes a great tender or lobsterman's dinghy as it is reasonably self-bailing. No Nor'easter, but will self bail with reasonable rain and if boat isn't laden with gear. It has a double hull, unlike the Beetle Gull.
Boatshell
09-07-2013 05:12 PM
plessard
Re: need rudder part for 1951 Beetle Boat Gull

As I look at my Beetle sailor transom assembly, I notice that it looks exactly like an external sail track. Why not just use a gooseneck slide attached to the rudder? This would allow the rudder to pivot and would also allow the rudder to move upward if it strikes bottom; preventing damage. I don't know if this was the original design, but it seems like a good solution. My bronze track is 3/4", I haven't found a gooseneck slide that size yet, but I could always change out the track to fit the available slide.
08-30-2013 06:04 PM
LinekinBayCD
Re: need rudder part for 1951 Beetle Boat Gull

The Dyer Dhow sailing dinghy uses a removable rudder. The company is still in business. Maybe you can adapt their parts (all bronze) or some another dinghy company that uses a removable rudder.
08-30-2013 05:33 PM
hipster001
Re: need rudder part for 1951 Beetle Boat Gull

I too am looking for parts to restore my Beetle Gull that I saved from being junked by a friend who was planning to cut it with a chainsaw to take to the dump!

I had trouble locating original parts to the point of listing it for sale. I had several knowledgeable individuals contact me. One of which told me he had the original mast and an original sail which re-sparked my interest in the Gull. He sold me the parts. And I have been collecting other period pieces to put it back in use.

Which brings me to my point, I am looking for what I believe is the opposite of what the thread started with! I have the transom piece but no rudder piece to slide the rudder into.

Anyway, I'd be happy to share photos of the sail or any hardware on mine to help others if they'd be willing to reciprocate?
08-26-2013 02:23 PM
plessard
Re: need rudder part for 1951 Beetle Boat Gull

I somewhat know what you're looking for because I have a Beetle Sailor, which is the 8' version of the Gull. I found it as a damaged hull over 30 years ago and am trying to rig it to sail but have very little information on it. It does have a pivoting centerboard and has the bronze metal strip on the transom for the rudder, but I can't figure out what the rest of the rudder hardware looks like. I also need specs for sail and rigging as well.

Beetle got out of the fiberglass boat business long ago and the records from that era were lost in a fire from what I was told by Beetle.

Any photos or description of parts would be appreciated. I'd be happy to share anything about my boat as well.

Good Luck
06-13-2013 02:52 AM
overbored
Re: need rudder part for 1951 Beetle Boat Gull

another good try Denise. but the Gull was made by Manufacturer of Fiberglass Products | FRP Manufacturers
they made fiberglass tanks for oil and truck bodies when they started
Carl Beetle started the company and sold it in 51 and he died in 52 the Gull was made by this company around 59
the Gull is one of the first room temperature cure resin dingys made. before that boats were made in chrome plated copper molds and used heat cured resin
06-12-2013 04:31 PM
deniseO30
Re: need rudder part for 1951 Beetle Boat Gull

OK well the info I gave you was not your boat ...
try here
Beetle Cat Boat Shop, traditional wooden boat builders, gaff rigged, one-design sailboats 93 years.. they must know something!
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