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3 Days Ago 04:19 PM
outbound
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

Agree this thread should die. Multiple misperceptions.
Solid boats aimed and designed for offshore work can be quite comfortable. There are so many examples of very comfortable offshore boats-oyster, Hylas, passport, Morris, HR, outbound, rustler, K&M, Boreal, catana, outremer etc.etc.
Production boats can survive weather and passagemaking. Many examples alluded to already.
But there's some realities. You can have secure sea berths or three large queens. You can have a linear two person galley or a secure one person c shaped one. You can have a boat made to optimize function on passage or at a slip.
Cruising 95% of the time you are stationary with two people on board. On passage 2-4 people. Entertaining means another couple for dinner. Coastal you may have double the number of people. Designs reflect that. It has doesn't to do with cost. Hell you can drop $500k to $1mil on a day sailor from friendship or Morris which would be equally unsuitable for passage making or liveaboard.
Only analogy with race cars that's really germane is first 100mph is cheap. Second 100mph expensive. Anything over 200mph ridiculously expensive.
4 Days Ago 03:13 PM
Lazerbrains
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

The better analogy would be driving offroad in the wilderness.

You can do it in a Jeep, or you can do it in a Winnebago.

The Winnebago has a much more comfortable and spacious interior, but is it really made for such a drive?
4 Days Ago 01:45 PM
amwbox
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

You did.

"But it has a massive engine that lets me do the quarter mile in 10 seconds flat."

Or maybe the analogy was just a waste of time.

If you want to be told what you want to hear, there a plenty who will cooperate. Especially yacht brokers.
4 Days Ago 12:56 PM
smwia
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

Who started talking about racing cars on a track? I didn't mention or ask about racing anything on land or sea. I will just move on from this thread now as it is just getting more confusing.
4 Days Ago 12:23 PM
amwbox
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

Quote:
Originally Posted by smwia View Post
Most people heavily consider the interior of a vehicle when buying one. And it doesn't need to have anything to do with the cup holders.

"I need a car since I always do a lot of driving" - *sits in car at the sales lot* - "well this seat is rock hard and hurts my back, there's not enough leg room for my height which cramps my knee and the lack of head room causes a pain in my neck. But it has a massive engine that lets me do the quarter mile in 10 seconds flat. Easy decision, this car is definitely what I want to spend all my time in."

You are right, that line of thinking makes way more sense.
Trouble here is that you'd specifically walked in here and asked about driving the car on the track, so to speak. And I quote:

SO MY QUESTION IS - All you experienced sailors who like to cruise all the time and go offshore. Do you not spend any time in the cockpit or interior of your boat while not in a marina? Is it common place for you to be standing on your masts or hanging off the side of your boats 24/7?

Please enlighten me to why a very spacious and comfortable boat is such a bad thing while using it?


You specifically asked about interior arrangement and cockpit size as it relates to sailing offshore. So I told you. Yeah, the car's seats and air conditioning and whatever are obviously nice when you're sitting in your driveway, driving to the coast on a lazy afternoon, or sitting in the lot after the races are over...but you asked about driving on the track. Do you want a big comfy Ford sedan? Or do you want the Porsche?

And this is about as far as comparing boats to cars can realistically go.

Lots of people drive their commuter sedans around the track. And they go around the track. Do they do it as well as a car that built for it? No. Do they still do it? Yes. Does the plush seat and and extra leg room matter on the track? Not really. Actually a liability in many ways. Will it matter after the race is over and everyone is sitting around the parking lot bullshitting? You bet.

As for "standing on your masts or hanging off the side of your boats 24/7?" I politely pretended I didn't read that. Because what? Even the boats built to the purpose of long distance passage making are perfectly comfortable. A few years back I spent an entire summer offshore in the N Pacific on a seriously capable boat, and I recall no leg cramps or cricks in my neck whatsoever. At least not any that could be blamed on the boat.

Like I said before, sail what you like and stop worrying about other people's "perceptions" about whether or not an actual chisel is the best tool for chiseling at something, as opposed to a flathead screwdriver. Either will probably get the job done. People are using either with great success even as we speak.

Stop worrying about brands.
4 Days Ago 11:39 AM
robert sailor 'After 6 years I haven't found anything on my Hunter I consider "low quality". All I have found is a boat that was designed to be constructed easy, which saved a lot of labor costs.'

I don't think Hunter is low quality either but there are many levels of quality between the highest and lowest. Personally I think all the high production boat builders produce a similar quality boat that serves their market very well but you don't expect them to be built to the standards of Swan, HR, Oyster, Discovery or similar high quality vessels. So when I say I don't see Hunter as a high quality boat, I'm not slamming it. I think you get lots of value for what you pay, they are high value boats.
4 Days Ago 11:35 AM
Dave Munro
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

Alex Rust sailed a hunter 25 through the entire Caribbean.
4 Days Ago 11:26 AM
robert sailor Funny post about buying the car and some truth in it as well. Men have their opinions and women have theirs and their opinions are very important if you want them cruising with you. Interiors are extremely important to women and you can see all the major builders responding to this. Cockpits for entertainment are also very important to women. Hunter has recently concentrated on these and other features that are attractive to women and it's helped them in their marketing.
5 Days Ago 10:47 AM
smwia
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

Quote:
Originally Posted by amwbox View Post
But the idea of choosing a boat because you like the interior strikes me the same way as choosing a car because of the number of cupholders.
Most people heavily consider the interior of a vehicle when buying one. And it doesn't need to have anything to do with the cup holders.

"I need a car since I always do a lot of driving" - *sits in car at the sales lot* - "well this seat is rock hard and hurts my back, there's not enough leg room for my height which cramps my knee and the lack of head room causes a pain in my neck. But it has a massive engine that lets me do the quarter mile in 10 seconds flat. Easy decision, this car is definitely what I want to spend all my time in."

You are right, that line of thinking makes way more sense.
5 Days Ago 08:52 AM
Don0190
Re: Why are there so many Hunter haters?

Buy a Hunter, then you too can do and experience all the boat things on it that the internet says you can't.

After 6 years I haven't found anything on my Hunter I consider "low quality". All I have found is a boat that was designed to be constructed easy, which saved a lot of labor costs.
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