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1 Week Ago 09:24 AM
smj
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Originally Posted by Kiskadee View Post
Smackdaddy, Let me dust off some brain cells. It was in October 2006. The catamaran was a PDQ 36 called "1 Cool Cat", out of Halifax. I found this on the PDQ forum.
PDQ Owners Forum ? View topic - 1 Cool Cat Sunk
This wass to have been the third or fourth trip to the BVI's for Al and Michelle. He told me he was 'freshening the nip' every twenty minutes to keep the para-anchor rode from chafing. He'd just finished doing it and got back to the cabin when a very large wave swept under them. He heard a loud explosion as the rode parted. The Russian ship used a cargo net on a crane to hoist them off the cat. When almost on board Michelle lost her grip and fell. Al saw her disappear beneath the sinking PDQ. The crew grabbed him and the crane operator dove the cargo net under the sinking boat. Al saw it come back up with Michelle hanging on. He collapsed and cried. When you think you've lost everything, you are handed back the love of your life. The full story was quite interesting, as they sailed all the way to Norway before flying home. Trust me, they could write a book.
Al and Michelle are great people. I now live on the opposite side of the continent, but last I saw them they were shopping for either another PDQ-36 or a 48-50 foot monohull.

This is interesting, but I couldn't find such a detailed story on the PDQ site, just a small explanation maybe blaming a 650' Russian cargo ship for running them over. Do you have a link to the longer version
1 Week Ago 09:29 PM
smackdaddy
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

You wouldn't believe how fast I am at stuff like that. And anyway - there's tons of them.

Oh - and I'm the boss at work - so I don't really have to do anything. Heh-heh.
1 Week Ago 09:00 PM
Don0190
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
Twin, I'm with you. The fact that anyone is still having this conversation is mystifying. But there are STILL many out there that are convinced production boats don't belong "offshore".

Here's just a few examples that I ran across personally on CF:

BeneHunterLina Bashing Hall of Shame | SmackTalk!

It's not nearly as bad here on SN where people are bit more objective, but you still see it every once in a while.
I remember a lot of those posts. But really where do you get the time to track all those?
1 Week Ago 08:38 PM
smackdaddy
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Originally Posted by twinsailor View Post
Where exactly can you take a production boat - Jeanneau / Beneteau ?
Has any of you been to the Caribbean or the Pacific lately? Good god! Beneteau yachts are everywhere, I'm on my second one and will soon buy a third!
Broker of both.
Twin, I'm with you. The fact that anyone is still having this conversation is mystifying. But there are STILL many out there that are convinced production boats don't belong "offshore".

Here's just a few examples that I ran across personally on CF:

BeneHunterLina Bashing Hall of Shame | SmackTalk!

It's not nearly as bad here on SN where people are bit more objective, but you still see it every once in a while.
1 Week Ago 05:11 PM
twinsailor
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Where exactly can you take a production boat - Jeanneau / Beneteau ?
Has any of you been to the Caribbean or the Pacific lately? Good god! Beneteau yachts are everywhere, I'm on my second one and will soon buy a third!
Broker of both.
1 Week Ago 10:30 AM
tweitz
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

Our set up does not have a sail drive, but a conventional rudder shaft. Although the twin rudders don't get much prop wash, there is definitely prop walk, to starboard forward, and considerably more to port in reverse. Very helpful when turning or docking. I have always regarded predictable prop walk as my friend.
1 Week Ago 10:26 PM
hellsop
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Originally Posted by Jiminri View Post
When docking, I use prop wash to help steer the boat. How does that work with twin rudders? Since the rudders are offset from the prop.
Depends on the boat, obviously. Single engine cats are often powered by a long drive leg or extra-long outboard that turns with rudders. Twin engine cats obviously end up being able to apply power differently to each hull and a skilled pilot can spin the thing nearly in place if there's a couple of feet of clearance.
1 Week Ago 09:01 PM
smackdaddy
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Originally Posted by JonEisberg View Post
Nah, it's to guard against the battering sustained from Hunters running amok in mooring fields... :-)


So from the other write-up autumn put up, it seems that bow cleat didn't let go at the mooring. It sounds more like they were trying to get out of there and just screwed up the exit...

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“Harbor patrol, this is Susie Q. We are free and in need of assistance.” This family had been next to us an Antonio’s. What appeared to be three generations of family. The grandparents, the parents (one with a jacket embroidered with “Susie Q Crew”) and grandchildren. I was on the bridge and saw Susie Q, a ~40 foot Hunter sailboat, spiral off her mooring – stern to wind and waves. Her engine was on. She looked in good shape. It looked like she was going to pass the 35’ Tiara powerboat on mooring 105, round her stern, then could head out to sea. But instead she turned sharp, attempting to pass in front of the Tiara. The wind and seas were too much. She could not get her bow into the wind. She collided, at speed, with the bow of the Tiara. Susie Q then backed off, tried to go forward but could not. Her propeller was wrapped and the engine useless.

She seemed stuck to the Tiara, with her stern to the waves. The harbor patrol came by to help. Eventually a line was attached from her bow to the stern of the Tiara. The stern of the sailboat was let go and she floated around – attached by the bow to the stern of the Tiara. The strain on the line was tremendous. When the wave would pass under the Tiara and to the sailboat the line would snap taught, but not break. Then, often, the bow of the sailboat would smash the stern of the Tiara. Eventually back of the Tiara started to disintegrate. The bow of the sailboat developed a huge V-shaped hole. If the rope should break, it was unclear whether Susie Q would go aground on the beach or hit the breakwall. Susie Q was also in danger of sinking.

The skipper of the Susie Q radioed the harbor patrol. “I’m not sure how long this rope will hold. What do I do if it breaks?” Harbor patrol, “Float into shore.” Susie Q, “But what do we do? Jump off? Swim?”

Harbor patrol, “We don’t have much to do with that. There will be people on shore to help. You might want to think about getting off that boat now.”

The harbor patrol sent a boat over and evacuated the Susie Q. The stern was pitching too much to transfer. The harbor patrol vessel pulled up beside the mast, where the pitching was reduced. The crew evacuated.

For a couple of hours the now abandoned Susie Q battered the stern of the Tiara, which was occupied. The harbor patrol tried to free the Susie Q but it seemed that it was somehow attached beneath the waterline. The Susie Q eventually sank.
They tied the bow off to the other boat and let them beat each other to death. That explains the bow cleat failure - and it makes much more sense in that scenario.
1 Week Ago 08:17 PM
Jeff_H
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Originally Posted by JonEisberg View Post
Nah, it's to guard against the battering sustained from Hunters running amok in mooring fields... :-)


That looks like a very high speed case of anchor dragging. *grin*
1 Week Ago 08:14 PM
JonEisberg
Re: Production Boats and the Limits

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Originally Posted by chall03 View Post
Perhaps!

Or in case of mishap as all the Beneteau's start overtaking you in the ARC ??
Nah, it's to guard against the battering sustained from Hunters running amok in mooring fields... :-)


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