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02-15-2007 11:16 PM
Valiente
Quote:
Originally Posted by hellosailor

I think the new two-thigh straps might be nice if you're going to stay suited up all day every day, but a simpler single crotch strap (less to foul, too) always worked on my dive gear. That's what I added to my PFD years ago, back when they were still un-legalized and crotch straps were unknown.
Good idea. I had actually considered asking my sailmaker to sew a length of webbing with loops at either end...one over the "belt" of a PFD w/harness and the other to a standard D ring. Then I clip the tether to three rings instead of two. A tailored fit for the manly sailor, naturally!
02-15-2007 04:14 PM
hellosailor Caliente-
I thought last round in PS gave top place to the Crewfit (hard to find in the US) followed by the Mustang ?

I think the new two-thigh straps might be nice if you're going to stay suited up all day every day, but a simpler single crotch strap (less to foul, too) always worked on my dive gear. That's what I added to my PFD years ago, back when they were still un-legalized and crotch straps were unknown.
02-15-2007 03:07 PM
Valiente
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cruisingdad
Valiente,

You are welcome.

By the way, don't spend a zillion dollars on the a jacket for down south. After a couple of years (or less, depending where you hang it when it is wet) it will get this damned mildew in it and the "waterproffness" (is that the word) does not work worth a crap. Also, in my uneducated opinion, I buy one size larger so I can really spin a winch and just in case I need to layer-up. That is just me, though. A good, snug fitting jacket will suck. Besides, the larger jacket is great to pull over you on the long nights offshore while you are "standing watch".
I already have a decent Goretex "rain suit" (actually made for skiing) that I layer with a fleece or two or even a second, slightly smaller Goretex jacket. This is in fact my winter gear (I don't do parkas anymore) because I bicycle on some very cold, but dry days (today it's -2 F/-19 C in Toronto), and I sail in early May to mid-November. This is the sort of get-up I would wear generally, but I think I need something a little better to keep green water from running down my neck, arms and legs if I have to spend four hours at the wheel in 30 knots close-hauled. If I am to help on a delivery in April from Tortola to North Carolina, long tacks are a real possibility, as are big following waves and sloshiness from the Gulf Stream. I've seen the Irish Sea and the English Channel (not as a small-boat sailor, however, as a middle-sized boat passenger) and I have the sense of how wearing relatively mild, but persistent chill and damp can get.

The fact is that a lot of deck time is spent not moving a hell of a lot. That's when you can get chilled...it's like waiting for a bus in an early spring rain...it's worse than a snowstorm!

But the suggestions are very good, guys...thanks. Musto is going to be investigated, and the Alpine harness sounds great. Due to biking, I already have decent diving gloves and know how to keep hands, head and feet warm and dry.
02-15-2007 02:58 PM
Valiente
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Originally Posted by svsirius
As far as harnesses go, get an inflatable lifejacket with a harness, you are not working bow on a 50' ocean racer - you are doing a delivery, the climbing harnesses are more comfortable if you are doing acrobatics at the bow and up the mast -- you should not have to do either on a delivery.

Safety is the driver, the inflatable lifejacket with whistle, strobe etc is more important and having the harness built in is that much better. Also don't forget a good tether -- ideally with two leads [on short one long].
I'm looking at a Stearns for the PFD/harness combo...but as I already have for Lake Ontario a SOSpenders PFD with whistle, light, knife, etc. and a Likiris harness...I thought I'd upgrade for the 2009-14 circ for which an April delivery will be a warm-up.

I agree about the two-tailed tether...anyone got a preference, or should I follow the recent Practical Sailor article advice?
02-15-2007 11:00 AM
Cruisingdad Valiente,

You are welcome.

By the way, don't spend a zillion dollars on the a jacket for down south. After a couple of years (or less, depending where you hang it when it is wet) it will get this damned mildew in it and the "waterproffness" (is that the word) does not work worth a crap. Also, in my uneducated opinion, I buy one size larger so I can really spin a winch and just in case I need to layer-up. That is just me, though. A good, snug fitting jacket will suck. Besides, the larger jacket is great to pull over you on the long nights offshore while you are "standing watch".

Take care. Good luck.

- CD
02-14-2007 05:12 PM
svsirius I have owned both Henri Lloyd and Musto offshore. My Lloyds were the old style pre-Gortex/breathable fabrics but indestructible. My Musto's are lighter and more comfortable - no feel for idestructablility as they are only 2yrs old now. Both are great suits get the one that fits better. As far as harnesses go, get an inflatable lifejacket with a harness, you are not working bow on a 50' ocean racer - you are doing a delivery, the climbing harnesses are more comfortable if you are doing acrobatics at the bow and up the mast -- you should not have to do either on a delivery.

Safety is the driver, the inflatable lifejacket with whistle, strobe etc is more important and having the harness built in is that much better. Also don't forget a good tether -- ideally with two leads [on short one long].
02-14-2007 03:58 PM
hellosailor Valiente-
This is one of the few really good reasons to get to any of the really large sailboat shows. A good fit, especially in the collar and hood, is priceless and it makes the difference between loving and hating your foulies. Go to a show, take a bag full of bulky clothes, and do some trying-on.
I suspect that if you email about the harness size, they will find a way to make one up for you with a larger chest strap.
02-14-2007 02:44 PM
Maine Sail
I no longer use...

Marine foulies and use alpine climbing gear. I have owned both Lloyd and Musto and my wife has a Gil but prefers her Arctyrx jacket to the Gil. Of all the marine foulies the Musto is best but still not as comfortable as an alpine style ascent jacket. Both my Lloyd and Musto are uncomfortable and hard to move in and it feels like I'm wearing a firemans suit. The heavier marine foulies also don't breathe worth a darn due to the extra heavy (read overkill) fabric..
02-14-2007 02:34 PM
Valiente
Quote:
Originally Posted by sailingdog
Actually, the Deckware series of gear is made in partnership with Petzl, the climbing hardware manufacturer... so I'm not surprised it reminds you of rock-climbing gear.
I checked out that harness and it just goes to "large" or 46 inches in the chest.

That's not going to cut it. I'm a 48-50 in a suit and add a couple of inches for that for foulies, sweaters, etc. I'm about the size of that Brad van Liew distance sailor.

Maybe I should e-mail him...
02-13-2007 07:58 PM
sailingdog
Quote:
Originally Posted by Valiente
Not American, and don't care about USCG approval. I find they are about five years behind the curve anyway, as befits their governmental origins. SOLAS is the gold standard, and that's good enough for me. That Spinlock gear is unlike anything else I've seen outside a rockface-supply store. I wanted at least a crotch strap with any harness I bought (I just have a brutal old Likiris at the moment, with a Wichard tether, both past their prime), because I fear going over and *inverting*, surely not an ideal scenario if the boat's making seven knots... If the D-ring can "hang high" the odds of that to my mind are greatly reduced.

I'll check it out. I like their deck hardware, but I had no idea they made harnesses.
Actually, the Deckware series of gear is made in partnership with Petzl, the climbing hardware manufacturer... so I'm not surprised it reminds you of rock-climbing gear.
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