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6 Hours Ago 11:22 PM
chef2sail
Re: 2014 Sailing Season

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Originally Posted by 4arch View Post
I'm undecided on the exact plans but will give HH a try. The windlass is a Goiot which is a French brand no longer made. The handle is a flimsy aluminum tube that bends easily. Other than that the thing is built like a tank. I'm going to look for a much stronger handle!
We have a stainless or aluminum solid bar which would break you in two if hit with it about 4 ft long to put in the cranking mechanism. Great balance and weight makes using the windlass mostly efforless. The length makes it easy to rachet it.
10 Hours Ago 07:29 PM
4arch
Re: 2014 Sailing Season

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Originally Posted by chef2sail View Post
Are you pulling in a yard close. If not consider Harbor Haven in Rock Hall for the transmission work.

Which windlass do you have. I have a mechanical one with a nice long 4 foot bar as its lever/ makes it easy to work.
I'm undecided on the exact plans but will give HH a try. The windlass is a Goiot which is a French brand no longer made. The handle is a flimsy aluminum tube that bends easily. Other than that the thing is built like a tank. I'm going to look for a much stronger handle!
10 Hours Ago 07:21 PM
4arch
Re: 2014 Sailing Season

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Originally Posted by T37Chef View Post
Congrats Brian, kids will change your life in the best way, and sailing with them is even better. Our girls love it and everything associated with it. Cheers to you and Sharon

All the best,
Shawn and the crew of Windgeist
Thanks Shawn! We are definitely looking forward to sailing together as a family and hope it will strengthen our bond and reduce some of the temptations of technology that are all too prevalent these days.
13 Hours Ago 04:22 PM
chef2sail
Re: 2014 Sailing Season

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Originally Posted by BubbleheadMd View Post
I realize I've kind of hijacked the thread...sorry about that.

I'll just say that most of my club's younger members don't have kids, and have been involved to varying degrees. My kids are adults (I got started early, so I finished early) so I have disposable time and help out at the club.

So far, I've been there for the maintenance days and volunteered in the kitchen as well as for race committee.
Exactly

Wonder why the younger members or those with kids dont volunteer as much as the older ones and bring the kids into it to teach them the responsibility and about volunteering.
15 Hours Ago 02:17 PM
BubbleheadMd
Re: 2014 Sailing Season

I realize I've kind of hijacked the thread...sorry about that.

I'll just say that most of my club's younger members don't have kids, and have been involved to varying degrees. My kids are adults (I got started early, so I finished early) so I have disposable time and help out at the club.

So far, I've been there for the maintenance days and volunteered in the kitchen as well as for race committee.
16 Hours Ago 01:49 PM
chef2sail
Re: 2014 Sailing Season

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Originally Posted by BubbleheadMd View Post
I do understand T37's take on older folks in the club. For the record, I'm 42, my girlfiend (misspelling intentional) is 37.

When we dine at Pirate's Cove restaurant (not affiliated with my club), it is like a retirement village. Now I don't mind the elderly, and I have great respect for most of them but these folks are simply crotchety and rude. They dine in silence (except for intermittent coughing and gasping that are symptoms of their advanced age and whatever ailments they are dealing with). They look through slitted eyes at anyone my age or God forbid, families that bring children. This has put us off dining at the restaurant because it has all the ambiance of a Turkish gulag and we don't feel very welcome.

Fortunately, the folks at my club seem different.
The club is nearly 100 years old, and was originally the OODYC, or "Our Own Damned Yacht Club", started by Billy Heintz as an alternative to clubs like AYC.

So when I walk into this place, there are plaques and trophies going WAY back. I love it. I love the sense of history. The Chesapeake 20 racing dinghy was first developed by Capt. Dick Hartge there. I want to belong to this little club, and keep its history going.

I was concerned about what kind of welcome I'd receive from the most senior members of the club. Was I a whipper-snapper? Was I riff-raff?

It turns out that the most aged members of the club are THRILLED when younger people join. They want people to keep the club alive, and they know that the future is younger people. The oldest members of the club have some of the coolest stories. They've pinned me down for hours at a time, in the clubhouse to share their stories with me. Like many aged people, what they want is for someone to just listen to them.

In order to know where you're going, you have to know where you've been. In order to know where to guide the club in the future, I want to know where it's been, and these older folks have been telling me.

Yes, they've eaten into my sailing time a little bit, but by nature I'm kind of a "Hurry the f--k up" kind of guy. I'm kind of glad when they slow me down to their speed for a little while and make me appreciate life more. They have been worth engaging with.

We do have some younger folks, and some of them have small children who run and play at the club. The older folks seem delighted to watch them play, especially to see them set off in a Flying Scot or an Albacore. I am desperately trying to get my younger keelboat friends to see the value in belonging to such a club but it's been an uphill battle for sure.

I realize that not every club is going to have the same mindset among their members. What's good at WRSC may not be good or the same at MYC or any other club.

I guess I'm just lucky with my club.
Bubble,

Our club is a lot like yours with the sailing trophies etc. The older members of the club, the ones who I have referred to are 60. Harly retirement age and hardly act like retirees except to a someone who hasnt quite learned how to relate or fit in.

In terms of the future of the club being the younger members, I have heard that argument before and dont necessarily agree with it. It takes a mix, but clearly the younger members do not have the disposable income nor the time to commit to work or volunteer at the club.

None of them volunteer for any elected office or commitees or even volunteer to help run activities. They all say they are too busy....they have kids activities to attend or run their kids to, and when they arent doing that they just want to go off by themselves and sail/ motor as a family. It would be great if they had good ideas which would be for the kids enjoyment, but the factual reality is that the younger members of our club are really takers and just want things done for them so they can just come to them. Its like they expect the older members to cater to them and do all the ground work so they can come and have fun. They complain about not wanting to be in the politics, but careful investigation shows an unwillingness to put forth the effort and get involved. I underatnd they have that right...so join a marina and stop complaining. Its no wonder many of the activities of our club are geared to those who are older ( 50-70) as they are the only people willing to bring forth ideas, serve on committtees, and volunteer to run the events.

Most of our younger members arent willing or say they dont have the time to become involved, but they do have the time to complain and point fingers at whats wrong. They have time to come down and go sailing motoring during the week, but have no time to improve or become part of ideas and activities which would benefit the familys.

Thats what I have the problem with really. If you find things are wrong...then get involved and volunteer to fix them. Anyone can find fault......maturity and the sense of belonging is when you get to gether with others and fix the fault not just complain and run away from it.

To just take....and not give back....to me does not pay it forward. Understand you have the right to do that, but dont be suprised when the activities and programs are geared to those who do volunteer and plan and serve.

So the future of our club to me is to keep the people who do volunteer, serve and plan happy and attract more of them. To those who only want to take and wait for others to meet their demands...they will last a few years and move on. Proof is in the actuality of the demographics of our club. Many long term members with boats...and a few turnovers every year of people who join and only want to use the club as a cheap marina.
18 Hours Ago 11:38 AM
T37Chef
Re: 2014 Sailing Season

Congrats Brian, kids will change your life in the best way, and sailing with them is even better. Our girls love it and everything associated with it. Cheers to you and Sharon

All the best,
Shawn and the crew of Windgeist
18 Hours Ago 11:34 AM
T37Chef
Re: 2014 Sailing Season

Back on topic Looks like another great sailing weekend, although my girls have birthday parties to attend on Sunday we fully anticipate to sail Saturday and spend the night aboard somewhere close by so I can have them back in time to get to their afternoon parties. Anyone want to go out Sunday with me? Otherwise I am going to single hand and practice so skills and/or do some work on the boat.
18 Hours Ago 11:21 AM
BubbleheadMd
Re: 2014 Sailing Season

I do understand T37's take on older folks in the club. For the record, I'm 42, my girlfiend (misspelling intentional) is 37.

When we dine at Pirate's Cove restaurant (not affiliated with my club), it is like a retirement village. Now I don't mind the elderly, and I have great respect for most of them but these folks are simply crotchety and rude. They dine in silence (except for intermittent coughing and gasping that are symptoms of their advanced age and whatever ailments they are dealing with). They look through slitted eyes at anyone my age or God forbid, families that bring children. This has put us off dining at the restaurant because it has all the ambiance of a Turkish gulag and we don't feel very welcome.

Fortunately, the folks at my club seem different.
The club is nearly 100 years old, and was originally the OODYC, or "Our Own Damned Yacht Club", started by Billy Heintz as an alternative to clubs like AYC.

So when I walk into this place, there are plaques and trophies going WAY back. I love it. I love the sense of history. The Chesapeake 20 racing dinghy was first developed by Capt. Dick Hartge there. I want to belong to this little club, and keep its history going.

I was concerned about what kind of welcome I'd receive from the most senior members of the club. Was I a whipper-snapper? Was I riff-raff?

It turns out that the most aged members of the club are THRILLED when younger people join. They want people to keep the club alive, and they know that the future is younger people. The oldest members of the club have some of the coolest stories. They've pinned me down for hours at a time, in the clubhouse to share their stories with me. Like many aged people, what they want is for someone to just listen to them.

In order to know where you're going, you have to know where you've been. In order to know where to guide the club in the future, I want to know where it's been, and these older folks have been telling me.

Yes, they've eaten into my sailing time a little bit, but by nature I'm kind of a "Hurry the f--k up" kind of guy. I'm kind of glad when they slow me down to their speed for a little while and make me appreciate life more. They have been worth engaging with.

We do have some younger folks, and some of them have small children who run and play at the club. The older folks seem delighted to watch them play, especially to see them set off in a Flying Scot or an Albacore. I am desperately trying to get my younger keelboat friends to see the value in belonging to such a club but it's been an uphill battle for sure.

I realize that not every club is going to have the same mindset among their members. What's good at WRSC may not be good or the same at MYC or any other club.

I guess I'm just lucky with my club.
1 Day Ago 11:11 PM
chef2sail
Re: 2014 Sailing Season

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Originally Posted by 4arch View Post
I donít want to wade too far into the yacht club issue except to say that any organization that depends on membership always needs to think in the long term. Itís fine to cater to a 50+ empty nester demographic, but the people who will be in that position in 10 short years are in their 40s now with kids at home and maybe just starting to think and dream about what their lives will be like 10 years down the road. In the end it probably benefits everybody in the organization to try to envision what the next generation will want to change and to put the wheels in motion toward those changes in a balanced way that doesn't completely alienate the current membership. I have further thoughts on his issue but would frankly rather discuss them over a beer, or better yet, a warm spiced cider in my cockpit!

In my opinion the bigger threat to the Chesapeake Bay boater is the corporatization of marinas thatís starting to spread across the region. Weíre not likely to see this trend slow down in the face of current economic and regulatory factors. Iím not sure it benefits anyone outside the megayacht set, and maybe not even them. When thereís no choice but to pay $200/ft/year for a slip and $120 an hour for yard labor with no DIY allowed, Iíd guess most of us on this board would be majorly squeezed. Itís great that independent clubs and marinas still exist on the Chesapeake and hopefully they will be able to survive and thrive in the face of this.
Totally agree
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