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04-15-2007 11:16 AM
T34C
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sailormann
T34C

It's okay to admit a little envy ...
Sailormann- Right now I envy anyone who has a boat actually in the water!!!! I'd almost take that h30 the CG rescued over in the Cruising thread, OK not really. Your prior post was a prime example of Bovine Scattlogy.
04-15-2007 10:38 AM
sailingdog I have to give Sailormann a point for his response to T34C... well done...
04-15-2007 10:16 AM
Sailormann Giu - Thanks - just trying to help the newbies learn properly


T34C

Quote:
And while the commonly , and profusly used phrase, and it's inherant explitive, "BS" was already taken, they opted for the Olde English varient of said phrase "Complete ****" or just "CS" for short.
It's okay to admit a little envy ...
04-15-2007 12:35 AM
T34C
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sailormann
PHRF is a measurement system designed and established in order to let errant sailors know how far they strayed from the true path of righteousness. As the CS 30 has been indisputably acknowledged as the ideal hull form, married with an optimum performance level, degree of comfort, beauty and all around perfection, those who have made purchasing errors and wound up with other boats, need to know the extent of their sins.

Hence we have PHRF, IRC, etc. ad nauseum. The CS 30 was placed on a pedestal, in the center. As there were roughly 281 boat models in production at the time, the CS 30 was assigned number 141, right in the middle - the number one on either side of, and of lesser stature than the number 4 - a symbolic indication of the raising of the boat above lesser objects on either side of it.

To Port (the 'high-side') were placed the slower, yet stoutly built and, in a dated sort of way, pretty-looking boats. Seaworthy vessels to be sure, some even approaching the utopia that is the CS 30, but still falling short in some detail or other.

As the shortcomings were primarily determined to be an excess of weight or ornament, points were assigned on the positive, or high side of 141 to indicate how many excess issues there were with the boat. Hence the Westsail 32, while undeniably a seaworthy and good-looking boat, can only be termed an "obese" craft and numerous points have been assigned to it as a gentle, yet constant reminder that the health of the vessel may be well-improved through shedding some of that poundage.

Conversely, to Starboard of 141, the term low-side is used to indicate those boats whose owners have stooped to the lower, less ethical methods of trying to achieve nirvana in yacht design. The sins here are numerous and run the gamut from minor to egregious. Points have been deducted accordingly.

Those whose sins were merely the creation of an unneccessarily large yacht have been punished less severely than those who have gone so far as to defy nature and incorporate materials other than pure, simple God-given fibreglass in the construction of their pitifully grotesque craft. Thus, we see that something like a C&C 38, while undeniably a study in excess, has merely lost a few points, while the diabolical creations called sleds by their miscreant sponsors are well and truly exposed. These radical departures from the innate principles of both physics and civil chemistry have been mercilessly penalised, the truly evil even having been assigned scores in the negative integers.

Of late, these creatures of darkness, not content with hiding their nefarious compounds of carbon and kevlar in the bilges where they belong, have begun flagrantly displaying their (literally) black arts, disguised as masts or booms, in plain view of the decent folk who are merely attempting to spend a pleasant family afternoon in a communal harbour. How can they be expected to explain these abominations to their children ????

Finally, if we dig to the bottom of the muck and mire, we find true mutants, lacking in decency and refusing to adhere to the most basic of established boatbuilding norms and credos. This gash heap of humanity has gone so far as to construct vessels with more than one hull, and not a keel to be found amongst them.

They offer the excuse of "reducing wetted surface". Well, surely the touch of righteous waters must sear the souls of these unnatural objects, so it is understandable that they would try to minimise their agony. Occasionally we read about one who, unable to countenance the continued torture of existence, turns turtle forever, so that their hulls might never have to feel the pain of truth and decency ever again.
And while the commonly , and profusly used phrase, and it's inherant explitive, "BS" was already taken, they opted for the Olde English varient of said phrase "Complete ****" or just "CS" for short.
04-14-2007 11:09 PM
Giulietta Sailormann....that was trully an award winning post...very very very funny... (you have a friend here).

I really liked it....

By the way...you're wrong about the number....141 means that a boat with a rating of "0" (zero) will sail around you 141 times in one mile!!!

he larger the number, the more times it will be circled....
In my case 141 + (-3) = 144 circles around you !!!
04-14-2007 12:46 PM
Sailormann PHRF is a measurement system designed and established in order to let errant sailors know how far they strayed from the true path of righteousness. As the CS 30 has been indisputably acknowledged as the ideal hull form, married with an optimum performance level, degree of comfort, beauty and all around perfection, those who have made purchasing errors and wound up with other boats, need to know the extent of their sins.

Hence we have PHRF, IRC, etc. ad nauseum. The CS 30 was placed on a pedestal, in the center. As there were roughly 281 boat models in production at the time, the CS 30 was assigned number 141, right in the middle - the number one on either side of, and of lesser stature than the number 4 - a symbolic indication of the raising of the boat above lesser objects on either side of it.

To Port (the 'high-side') were placed the slower, yet stoutly built and, in a dated sort of way, pretty-looking boats. Seaworthy vessels to be sure, some even approaching the utopia that is the CS 30, but still falling short in some detail or other.

As the shortcomings were primarily determined to be an excess of weight or ornament, points were assigned on the positive, or high side of 141 to indicate how many excess issues there were with the boat. Hence the Westsail 32, while undeniably a seaworthy and good-looking boat, can only be termed an "obese" craft and numerous points have been assigned to it as a gentle, yet constant reminder that the health of the vessel may be well-improved through shedding some of that poundage.

Conversely, to Starboard of 141, the term low-side is used to indicate those boats whose owners have stooped to the lower, less ethical methods of trying to achieve nirvana in yacht design. The sins here are numerous and run the gamut from minor to egregious. Points have been deducted accordingly.

Those whose sins were merely the creation of an unneccessarily large yacht have been punished less severely than those who have gone so far as to defy nature and incorporate materials other than pure, simple God-given fibreglass in the construction of their pitifully grotesque craft. Thus, we see that something like a C&C 38, while undeniably a study in excess, has merely lost a few points, while the diabolical creations called sleds by their miscreant sponsors are well and truly exposed. These radical departures from the innate principles of both physics and civil chemistry have been mercilessly penalised, the truly evil even having been assigned scores in the negative integers.

Of late, these creatures of darkness, not content with hiding their nefarious compounds of carbon and kevlar in the bilges where they belong, have begun flagrantly displaying their (literally) black arts, disguised as masts or booms, in plain view of the decent folk who are merely attempting to spend a pleasant family afternoon in a communal harbour. How can they be expected to explain these abominations to their children ????

Finally, if we dig to the bottom of the muck and mire, we find true mutants, lacking in decency and refusing to adhere to the most basic of established boatbuilding norms and credos. This gash heap of humanity has gone so far as to construct vessels with more than one hull, and not a keel to be found amongst them.

They offer the excuse of "reducing wetted surface". Well, surely the touch of righteous waters must sear the souls of these unnatural objects, so it is understandable that they would try to minimise their agony. Occasionally we read about one who, unable to countenance the continued torture of existence, turns turtle forever, so that their hulls might never have to feel the pain of truth and decency ever again.
04-13-2007 06:42 PM
Giulietta
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeorgeB
As I said before, it’s not your absolute number, It’s how well you sail against it. Giu my friend, that -3 rating kills you. The numbers you posted on your upwind/downwind speeds are not sufficient to beat me in my lowly Catalina on corrected time. Worse than that, you have to beat SC 52s and Farr 40s boat for boat. You absolutely do not want to race San Francisco/ Northern California unless you can somehow convince NORCAL PHRF to give you a rating in the 30’s. Fortunately for me, the typical 20-30kts winds here tend to favor my somewhat heavier boat and I sail quite well to my rating. Below 10 kts WS and it’s another story.
Well yes...its a good point...however....not everyone can play guitar like Clapton....

Like I said, I compared my actual rating with a similar one on that PHRF page...I'd still race you

I normally race similar boats only...not club races or cruiser races
04-13-2007 06:34 PM
sailingdog I love when the underdog wins... There was a Nicholson 33 that won the Fastnet race two years ago... thought that was wonderful...
04-13-2007 06:32 PM
GeorgeB As I said before, it’s not your absolute number, It’s how well you sail against it. Giu my friend, that -3 rating kills you. The numbers you posted on your upwind/downwind speeds are not sufficient to beat me in my lowly Catalina on corrected time. Worse than that, you have to beat SC 52s and Farr 40s boat for boat. You absolutely do not want to race San Francisco/ Northern California unless you can somehow convince NORCAL PHRF to give you a rating in the 30’s. Fortunately for me, the typical 20-30kts winds here tend to favor my somewhat heavier boat and I sail quite well to my rating. Below 10 kts WS and it’s another story.
04-13-2007 04:36 PM
CharlieCobra
Quote:
Originally Posted by Newport41
Oh, I can imgine it. I can also imagine plowing the bow into the back of a wave and death rolling a 65 footer. Don;t get me wrong I like going fast adn I love planing hulls but something about a boat that big, that fast, scares last nights dinner out the bottom end of me. I'd consider a 90 rating pretty quick for a racer/cruiser and I'd give it a fun rating to a race boat, but fast?....well it ain't slow.

Actually, when ya plow into that wave, she just drops to about 15 knots instantly which is why ya sleep feet forward when racing. She also will do 12 pointing in 10 knots true which I think is sick as hell. Momma didn't like the plastic interior though and I didn't like the moorage costs so we didn't go there.
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