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Interesting Sailboats

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#1 · (Edited)
Sirius 32, Sirius 35

THE OBJECT OF THIS THREAD:

Interesting sailboats in production and available on the new boat market (only boats with modern designs, meaning that the boats still in production but made with old designs are out). Recent designs out of production are also admissible.

Modern boat designs and modern one off, if interesting.

Classical boats and traditional boats.

Small cruisers (less than 35ft)

Seezunge 27ft: PG1-PT9

Hanse 325: PG19-PT185;

Presto 30 : 33-326; 33-327; 34-331; 34-333; 55-543; 55-544;

Tess Yachts: 37-366; 38-373;

Tess 28 Magnum: 37-369; 38-371;

Delphia 28: 38-373;

Vancouver 27/28 : 42-412; 72-717;

Cruisers between 35ft and 49ft


Catalina 355 : 31-306;

RM sailboats: PG5-PT41; 5-42

RM1050: PG5-PT46; 5-47; 5-48;

RM 1060: PG8-PT77; 8-78; 8-79; 8-80; 9-81; 30-295; 40-400; 79-786;

RM 1200: PG9-PT84; 9-85; 19-184; 20-191; 20-192; 41-404; 42-414; 42-418; 43-425; 43-426; 69-688;

RM 1350: PG9-PT82; 55-549; 95-943;

Morris Yachts: PG7-PT61

Bavaria 36: PG19-PT188; 19-190; 20-196;

Bavaria 40: PG10-PT95; 28-278; 29-281; 29-282; 29-283; 29-286; 32-316; 36-356; 51-502; 51-507; 52-518; 53-527; 53-532;

Bavaria 40s: 69-685; 78-775;

Bavaria 45: PG10-PT96; 19-190;

Rustler Yachts: PG11-PT104;

Jeanneau 409: PG11-PT103: 11-106; 30-298; 30-299; 36-356; 51-502; 51-504; 51-505; 51-509; 52-513; 52-514; 52-515; 52-516; 53-527; 54-532; 57-564; 57-570; 58-571; 58-580; 59-581; 59-583; 59-585; 62-614; 74-739; 91-906;

Jeanneau 439: 40-396; 40-397; 59-584; 59-585; 96-956;

Hanse Yachts: 16-154; 16-156; 16-158;

Hanse 400: 81-804;

Bluewater cruising yachts: 21-206

Beneteau Oceanis 37 : 31-306; 31-308; 31-309; 32-314; 55-541;

XC 38: 36-356; 96-954;

Diva 38: 39-386;

Diva 35: 40-391;

Dufour 405: 62-614;

Defline 43: 63-622

Walkabout 43: 93-923; 93-925; 93-927;

Small performance cruisers (less than 35ft)


Performance 32ft test: 29-87;

Sun Fast 3200: PG4-PT33; 4-34; 4-36; 30-293;

Elan 210: 70-691; 70-696; 78-779; 79-781;

Elan 310: PC7-PT64; 7-69; 8-71; 36-356; 41-408;

Quest 33: PG7-PT62

Olea 32: 25-243; 25-245;

First 27.7: 38-373; 38-380; 39-382;

First 30: 30-295; 39-356; 41-408; 55-545; 55-546;

Comet 26: 34-340; 35-345; 35-350; 36-353;

Pacer 30: 36-357;

Django 7.7: 40-399;

Vivace/Evosion 34: 45-442; 45-446; 45-445; 45-446; 45-447; 45-448; 45-449; 45-450; 46-458; 46-460;

Finn Flyer 34: 46-451; 46-453; 60-593;

Salona 34: 46-457;

Heol 7.4: 63-621; 63-622;

Azuree 33: 87-867; 91-902; 91-904;

JPK 10.10: 88-877 ; 88-880; 89-883;

Performance cruisers (between 35ft and 49ft)

Pogo 10.50: PG2-PT20; 3-27; 3-28; 3-30; 4-35; 5-50; 6-51; 6-52; 6-60; 11-101; 11-107; 11-110; 43-425; 44-440; 87-861; 87-867;

Pogo 12.50: PG13-PT125; 20-198; 20-199; 22-214; 27-264; 27-265; 27-269; 32-317; 32-319; 43-425; 43-426; 43-428; 44-432; 44-437; 44-439; 55-546; 55-547; 82-812; 84-831; 87-870;

Este 40: 89-890; 90-893; 90-899;

A35: PG5-PT42; 5-44; 66-660;

A40RC: 92-914;

Hammerhead 35: 64-645

Opium 39: PG5-PT42; 9-85; 9-89; 13-125; 22-220; 22-221; 43-426; 55-547; 86-857;

Aerodyne 35: PG7-PT62

Elan 350: PG7-PT64; 13-24; 13-126; 13-127; 13-128; 14-132; 18-178; 26-255; 36-356; 40-398; 41-405; 57-564; 59-589; 60-591; 72-711; 73-724; 74-738;

Elan 380: 23-223; 25-249; 26-256; 40-398; 59-589; 97-962;

Elan 410: 32-316; 79-784;

JPK 110: PG9-PT85; 10-91

Olea 44: PG10-PT100; 27-268;

Olea Yachts: 25-247;

Dufour 40e: Pg13-Pt125; 32-316; 55-547; 56-558; 56-559; 57-561; 57-562; 57-563; 59-586; 59-588,

Salona 37: 36-359; 41-406;

Salona 41: PG15-PT141; 15-145; 32-316; 36-356; 40-398; 54-538; 57-569; 78-778; 80-796; 80-798; 97-965;

Salona 42: PG15-PT145; 36-359; 40-398; 93-929; 94-932;

Cigale 16: PG15-PT148; 16-152; 17-161; 55-549; 63-625;

Cigale 14: PG17-PT163; 55-549;

Santa Cruz 43: PG17-PT169

Sydney Yachts: PG18-PT171; 18-175;

Sydney GTS 37: 43-423;

Sydney GTS 43: PG18-PT173;

Winner 12.20: PG20-193;

First 40: 31-304; 32-313; 32-316; 35-344; 36-354; 55-546; 55-547;

First 35: 36-356

Dehler 41: 30-296;

Dehler 44: 79-785;

Dehler 45: 36-356; 79-785;

Luffe 40.04: 30-300; 31-301; 31-303;

XP 38: 56-533; 56-544; 56-555; 67-622;

XP 44: 33-325;

Pacer 430: 36-357;

Pacer 376: 36-357; 66-652; 69-683;

Faurby 424: 36-360; 37-361; 37-363; 37-365;

Comfortina 39: 40-395;

J 133: 43-426; 63-620

J 111: 100-993;

Maxi 11: 99-982;

Arcona yachts: 46-456;

Arcona 410: 47-467; 47-468; 47-469; 48-471;

Arcona 430: 48-472;

Arcona 460: 50-495

Finngulf yachts: 46-456;

Varianta 44: 60-594; 60-595; 60-596; 60-597; 60-598; 64-639;

Imagine 53: 63-628;

Zou 40.2: 63-620

Ker 39: 68-676;

Finn-Flyer 42: 77-762;

Azuree 40: 85-842;

Loft 40: 85-848; 85-852;

Vivace 35: 90-895;

Sailing boats over 49ft

Zeydon 60 : PG 12-119;

JP 54: PG18-PT172;

Salona 60: 70-695;

Stadships: PG20-PT193; 20-195;

Pogo 50: 32-318; 32-319;

X-50: 54-537;

Murtic 52: 54-537;

Decksaloons and pilot house sailing boats

Sirius 32: PG1-PT1

Sirius 35: PG1-PT1; 1-10; 2-18; 50-491; 50-492; 60-559; 60-599;

Sirius 31: PG1-PT5; 2-17; 36-356;

Regina 35: 48-478;

Regina 40: PG11-PT104; 49-481; 49-483;

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Luffe 43DS: PG12-PT111; 12-115; 50-494;

Noordkaper 40: PG14-pt139;

Noordkaper yachts: PG16-PT155

Nordship 36: 30-297; 49-482;

Nordship 38: 49-482; 49-490;

Paulo's pilot house I: 38-376; 39-381; 39-383; 39-384;

Paulo's pilot house II: 69-682

Lyman & Morse 45: 38-379;

CR 38DS: 48-477; 48-478;

CR 40DS: 48-476; 48-478; 48-479; 50-494; 50-496; 50-497; 50-498;

Arcona 40DS: 50-494;

Racers

Figaro 2:pG4-PT36; 4-37; 5-42; 6-52; 6-53; 6-55; 6-56

VOR 70: PG16-PT160; 17-187

Farr 400: 67-661

Soto 40: 96-952;

Lifting keel/centerboarder

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Allures 45: PG10-PT93; 100-996;

Allures yachts: 25-248;

OVNI 425: 23-228;

OVNI 395 : 68-679; 69-690;

J 108: 67-661

Atlantic 43: 68-67

Boreal 44: 97-970; 98-974;

Multihulls till 34ft

Several Trimarans: 28-273;

Multihulls with 34ft and over

Dragonfly yachts: 26-257;

Dragonfly 35: 26-258; 27-261; 27-262;

Dragonfly 1200: 56-551;

Corsair 37: 28-276;

Farrier 39: 28-277;

Challenge 37: 28-278

Hammerhead 34: 29-385;

Hammerhead 54: 29-288; 30-292;

Trimax 10.80: 29-285;

Sig 45: 54-534; 54-539; 54-540;

Gunboat: 56-551

Fusion: 56-551;

Outremer: 56-551;

Tournier: 56-511;

Classical and Traditional boats

Jclass boats: 54-537;

Tofinou 12: 71-703;

Folck boat: 73-727;

Puffin Yachts: PG14-PT135; 14-138; 16-155;

Bestwind 50: PG12-PT116; 14-123;

Bestevaer 53: PG12-PT116;

Bestevaer yachts: PG16-PT155

Cape George 36: 41-410; 42-412;

Marieholm 33 : 42-412;

This list is not actualized. Please use the advanced search engine of the thread with the name of the model and builder. It works, most of the time.

(actualized till PG100) and it will be no more because that gives a lot of work (500 pages now).

Instead I am actualizing the titles and with the right title the thread search engine (not the one on the top of the page bit the one much below that says search thread) on its advanced option works quite well.

Hello,

Melrna posts on Miami Boat show and the comments of Smackdady about the interest of that thread lead me to think that perhaps I could share more information about sailboats I know and find interesting.

I am interested in boat design (interior and sailing performance) and I go each year at least to one of the main European Boat shows and that means basically Dusseldorf, Paris or Hamburg. On these shows you have the opportunity not only to visit the boats of the main and medium size builders but you have also the opportunity to visit the boats of small and sometime family shipyards.

Normally they build very good sailboats and sometimes they have been doing that for decades. The boats are hugely appreciated by their faithful customers but because they don't advertise their boats and there are very few on the used boat market, they pass unnoticed by the majority of the sail community.

The visit to these boats is a very rewarding experience because they are made with passion by true boat lovers and because when you talk to the guy that is on the boat, you are not talking with a dealer, that many times doesn't know much about boats, but with the builder, or the designer.

Even if you are not a buyer they will have real pleasure in talking with someone that really appreciates and understands their work. Those guys really believe in what they are doing and they do it the best way they can, no matter the cost. In a word, they are in love with what they are doing.
Of course, these boats have to be expensive.

This thread will be mainly about these boats, as a way of letting you know about these gems. Let's see if you are interested. I will not post much. If you want to know more you have just to participate and make questions.

The first one it will be the "Sirius". I have had the pleasure to visit several times their boats and to talk with the builders (father and son).

These boats have the best interiors you can find, or at least that I have seen. Not only the quality, but the design and ergonomy are fantastic. You really won't believe you are in a 32ft boat. Just incredible and amazing; Have a look at it:

Sirius-Werft Plön | Forecabin | 32 DS for 2 forecabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Owner´s cabin | 32 DS 4-berth comfort owner´s cabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Workshop | 32 DS for 2 workshop

Now that the son is in charge they have modernized the outside look of the new boats, they look fantastic not only inside but also outside. The boats sail well and they have clients as far as Japan.

Sirius-Werft Plön | Versions of decks house | You have the choice

Another interesting point is the way they develop new boats. They work with the clients to collect suggestions on the shape and design of the boats. A truly interesting affair, between passionate clients and passionate builders.

Sirius-Werft Plön | 35 DS | Philosophy

Take a good look at their interesting site and if you find the boat interesting, please let me know, I can add some information.

Sirius-Werft Plön | english | Welcome at website of Sirius-Werft Plön

Regards

Paulo
 
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#6,076 ·
Regarding the kuka light...
I am a little surprised that the kuka is with 3.2 t only 800 kg lighter than an plywood epoxy boat in her race trim one could build in his garage...
Didi 40cr radius chine plywood sailboat
And this homebuild boat has aluminum spars, 1.5 m less draft and 2 t ballast in a conventional keel casing made of steel... I imagine that the kuka has probably a little more than 1 t in her canting keelbulb...
If i look at the effort those guys put in to build the boat, i come to think that her lightness is not that extraordinary, just expensively bought...

And i know you cannot compare these two boats... The kuka has way more power, more sailarea and is by all means a lot faster... I just looked at the weight figures... ;)
 
#6,081 ·
I am a bit tired about your insinuations enigmatic phrases and posts that mean nothing. There are other threads for that. Here I want objectivity and clarity.

If you want to say something say it! This statement after Vimes post considering that KuKa-light after all is not a very light boat, even an extraordinary light one, say so.

If you consider that a racing boat that has as given dimensions: Length 12.80 mt, beam 4.60 mt, Draft 3.50 mt, Displacement 3200 kg is not very light, say so and explain why and stop insinuating things.

Regards

Paulo
 
#6,083 · (Edited)
Comet 62

And surprise... surprise, it is a Cat:D

I knew already that they were going to propose cats on their line and I was very interested and curious. Well my curiosity was satisfied in Dusseldorf and beautiful boats they are, designed by Marc Lombard. They have there models of the two first ones, a 62 and a 37. Let's look at the 62 :





And cats will not be the only news on Comet (Comar shipyard), they will be Carbon boats. I had already heard some comments coming from Comar about building carbon boats with the proper tools and techniques not to be a very dificult or even considerably more expensive than building epoxy vinylester infused boats. Well I can only hope that will not only be true but also that they will decide to expand that technique and materials to the monohull line;)

They say about the new cat line:

"Comar's 2014 begins flying the Cat banner "because they are comfortable, easy to handle and control and because we are keen on the idea of creating a multihull with a fast and aggressive profile yet maintaining the comfort below deck. We noticed an affinity in Marc Lombard's designs with the present Comet range in production and hence collaboration with Marc seemed a natural choice for the start-up of this new range which, starting with a Comet Cat 62 will then move on to an 82' and a 37' "


I will hope that affinity from Comar with Marc Lombard will mean also that the next Comet Monohulls will be designed by Marc. I cannot wait to see a Comet monohull design by him. Comet monohulls stands for performance cruising and also regatta and offshore racing and now that short crew racing has becoming bigger and bigger in IRC, a very polivalent boat, able to be good at performance cruising, good at short crew racing and good at full crew racing makes all the sense. Marc Lombard is one of the few Na that design such a boat, competitive in several sectors.

Data for COMET 62 CAT: LOA: 18.97m LWL: 18.80m BOA: 10.23m Beam in between axes hull: 7.20m Forward freeboard: 2.20m Light Displacement: 17.00t Light CE Displacement: 18.50t Full Loaded Displacement: 25.00t Draught (board down): 3.58m Draught (board up): 1.62m Total height / Dwl: 28.70m mast Height: 26.40m Sail Area - Main: 130 m² - Solent selftacking: 74.5 m² - Furling genoa: 102 m² - Code 0: 130 m² - Staysail: 60 m² - gennaker: 160 m² - Spi assy: 300 m² Diesel Engines 2 x 75 HP Fresh water tanks: 2 x 600l Gas Oil Tanks: 2 x 300l carbon spars, PBO rigging and Spectra Construction Composite sandwich carbon / epoxy (Hull / Deck / Main bulkheads) crossbeam construction: composite carbon epoxy Accomodation, floorboards, furnatures: sandwich wood.
 
#6,086 ·
This is a public forum. People can voice their opinions here. That's what makes it fun. Diversity! Everyone has a say. It's the way the internet works. It's not your private sand box. The last time I looked, you don't make the rules.

What makes it fun for me is the diversity. I like to hear a wide range of ideas and opinions. I certainly do not need anyone dictating to me who I should think. I watch sports programs on TV with the sound muted. I can see what is happening. I can figure it out for myself. I sure as hell don't need a TV guy who has never played professional sports in his life explaining to me what happened and just why it happened.

I read all the posts. Sometimes I choose to comment, sometimes I don't. Do you have a problem with that? I like this thread. It is informative. Show me the boats. I can form my own opinions.
 
#6,090 · (Edited)
...This is a public forum. People can voice their opinions here....
I read all the posts. Sometimes I choose to comment, sometimes I don't. Do you have a problem with that? ...
No I don't have a problem with you commenting about the posts and subjects that are being discussed. I am interested in that. I have problems with meaningless posts, unfounded comments or a rude way to address me or other members and I have a problem with you considering that your view on a subject is more valid than others:

Quoting Vimes "I am sorry, but you obviously did not get my point."...
That happens around here.
..

That commenty is just plain silly.
..
Chill Paulo. You are not the Pope.
.. Paulo... obviously feels threatened. ..
I think you guys are selling chines. You act like car salesmen selling a tacked on spoiler. Are the chines built in China? Is that why you call them "chines"?

I'll say it slowly this time:
I have designed many boats with chines.
Once again:
I have designed many boats with chines.

This is my business. I am not a hobbyist.
I understand chines.
I understand chines

I have owned chined boats.
I have owned chined boats

...

Tsia chien
Shin nien qui ler
....
That is a really stupid statement. ...
Tsai chien
Gong hay fat choy
...
Get real Paulo. ....
Paulo:
You don't get it.
How do you "dispense" the chines? Rules don't let you throw things overboard while racing.
" Hey wait a minute,,,,Didn't you guys have chines at the beginning of the race?"
...

One problem in this thread is to continue to look at this like a 2 dimensional problem. ..
I love that new X Yacht.
No chines?
They must be behind the times or not know what they are doing.
Or, really know what they are doing. Yes, I think that's it.

Ha!
Paulo:
The information is all in my last post. Read slowly.

The boat review was the Sun Odessey349. Don't recall the publication but it was English. I think they generally do the best and most honest job. ....

Clear?
(It was not the Sun Odyssey 349 but the Dufour 410, as later Bob Perry remember correctly)

.....

I rarely shower. I smell like my dogs, I wear woolen shirts. My hair looks funny. I own two pair of shoes. I'm not Euro.

(I do have an amazing, very expensive hi-fi system probably cost as much as your yacht)....
My mother's maiden name was Nanelli. Does that help?
The term "skiff" comes from the name of the inventor, Archilbald W. Skiff.
(Bob Perry invented that one)

Its Wednesday already and I haven't used either of those words yet this week.
Yes, this is a Public forum and this is a public thread but I have being pretty much running this thread. It is not about my opinion but I have been moderating the discussion here, on this thread.

All that are around, viewing it and contributing and made this one of the most popular boat thread on the net know that I try to have an open mind and accept (and thanks) all well founded contributions. They know that I try to integrate all contributions on the body of knowledge and information that this thread contains. If they would not find that way certainly they would stop following this thread.

However I will not allow anybody to have the privilege to be right, just because that's the way he thinks about it, being it a racer, a NA or a cruiser.

Your particular opinion will always be heard with attention, particularly because you are a NA but we are not designing boats and we certainly will not retain your opinion over the opinion of other NAs specially when they are contributing actively to the evolution of sail boat design, as you have done brilliantly in the past.

This thread is about interesting sailboats with a particular focus on the present and the future.

New tendencies and the state of the art in what regards new contributions to sailboat design presented and used by the most significant contemporary NA is of the essence as well to understand them and why they work, since most of them have being proved in racing by those same NAs before using them on their cruising sailboats, many of them mass produced and sailed by thousands.

Off course, Your particular opinion about yacht design, the way you see it and your present work will be of interest to all and I, as I am sure all, are very happy to have you as a member, but regarding that I second what has been proposed already and think it would be very interesting if you open a Bob Perry thread, posted and discussed there your views and your work, instead of doing that on a Steel's boat thread or here.

Of course, you will always be very welcomed here in what regards discussing subjects or boats, but not in this spirit: "I have designed many boats with chines. This is my business. I am not a hobbyist."

On this threads we don't have Popes. You don't need to be an Artist to be a an Art critic. In fact the best Art critics are not Artists and almost never an Artist is on a position to have an overall view of the Art Panorama neither he is on the best position to judge what are the more valid contributions to the contemporary art culture. He is to focused in what he is doing and obviously he thinks that what he is doing is the best and the right way to go.

I believe that is valid also in what regards the contemporary Yacht design Panorama, the subject of this thread.

I don't take pleasure with this kind of posts or discussions so please participate on this thread regarding topics and out of a paternalistic approach. If you do that I am quite sure we all will enjoy and appreciate your contribution.

Regards

Paulo
 
#6,088 · (Edited)
Sir Perry,

This forum is about interesting sailboats. You’re a NA, so I appreciate your expert opinion. About interesting sailboats.

Not about the way Paulo runs this excellent thread. With respect. And mannered.
Nor about your hifi. Or your dogs. Or your personal hygiene. There I’m the expert. I’m a urologist.

It's not about you. It's about interesting sailboats.

Regards,

Stupid
 
#6,091 · (Edited)
Classics on the next Route du Rhum



Not what you would have expected as Classics:D and yet they are classics, old fast racers whose performance cannot match modern ones but certainly still very enjoyable boats to race.

Many other races have boats of this "vintage" as favorites but we know that on this one all the cream of solo racers will be there.

They could extend the idea and have a class for Open60's with no canting keel: Lots of them around doing minor races. That would bring even more interest to the big one that in what regards relevance and solo racing only has an equal on the Vendee Globe, even if the last one has much less types of boats racing.
 
#6,092 ·
Holy cow Paulo:
You are really spending way too much time and energy fighting me. I'm very flatterred.

But I have a suggestion that could be useful for you:
If you go to where you can edit your preferences for this forum there is a place where you can put people on "ignore". They have it on Sailing Anarchy too. I don't use it but some do. It works until someone quotes you. Then you can't block the quote. But for you it would serve to have my posts on ignore and you would not have to read them. This would be good for you too Eric. Better than pissing and moaning.

Because, I'm not going anywhere and I have no intention of "behaving". I never have.
 
#6,096 · (Edited)
You are really spending way too much time and energy fighting me.... I have no intention of "behaving". I never have.
Bob, not fighting you. Fighting your bad manners, rude behavior and arrogance and not even in absolute terms but just in this thread.

Here I make a point that everybody, starting by me behaves nicely. Rudeness is definitively out as well as meaningless comments. Maybe it time for you to learn how to behave otherwise you don't have a place here, you or anybody that does not know or want to "behave". This thread is interesting and lasted so long because posters around (starting by me) know how to behave and understand the importance of that even when they disagree with others.

But I have a suggestion that could be useful for you:
If you go to where you can edit your preferences for this forum there is a place where you can put people on "ignore"....This would be good for you too Eric. Better than pissing and moaning.
Bob if i ignored what posters say on this thread it would not be an interesting thread anymore. Everybody could say what they want and all type of nonsense would have the same factual value for the ones that follow it (and they are many) and say that use this thread as a learning tool.

If I had done so things like an OVNI 39 having a similar performance as a XP 38 or that modern chines are used on cruising boats only by fashion reasons or that Computer Fluid Dynamics is not a very important tool in what regards sailboat design development or that the new Hunter 40 has a nice sailing hull would pass as truth and I would not allow that because it is just not factually true.

I like this thread. It is informative. Show me the boats. I can form my own opinions.
Yes Bob, you can use the thread for having a view about what is made regarding the best contemporary design, you can form your own opinions what you can't do is posting like your own opinions are the definitive true about the subject. After all if that was so you would not be looking at cutting edge designs on this thread but designing them.

Thread title says "Interesting Boats" not necessarily for "modern".

Personally, I like older looking/styled boats more. The "modern" ones usually don't interest me much but they're still nice to look at to see design features.

Something about Jakatan makes it a beautiful boat that I would be more interested in myself. Beautiful craftsmanship. Makes me want to learn more about boat building. Everyone has different tastes. Doesn't mean one style should be omitted from this thread because someone else doesn't like it.
Nobody wants to omitte any style from this thread but the title of a thread does not say all about it. On the first post the object of the thread is clearly defined and the first sentence is:

"THE OBJECT OF THIS THREAD:

Interesting sailboats in production and available on the new boat market (only boats with modern designs, meaning that the boats still in production but made with old designs are out)."

There are many other threads for the ones that like you prefer older designs. This one is about contemporary design.

Nothing wrong about some designs that don't fit this criteria to be posted now an then on this thread, just because they are beautiful, even if they are not the object of this thread.

I have made complete informative and extensive posts about Jakatan and silver, the two last Bob designs. I don't want pictures of them appearing out of contest on the thread like mushrooms, as it have happened already and its happening all the time in the Steel boat thread.

Bob Perry have posted many photos of boats he finds interesting on this thread .... all about his designs. I have already suggested to Bob to open one thread about his designs or if he does want a more broad subject, about classic designs made today, one where we could all see in detail his own work.

Best regards

Paulo
 
#6,095 ·
Thread title says "Interesting Boats" not necessarily for "modern".

Personally, I like older looking/styled boats more. The "modern" ones usually don't interest me much but they're still nice to look at to see design features.

Something about Jakatan makes it a beautiful boat that I would be more interested in myself. Beautiful craftsmanship. Makes me want to learn more about boat building. Everyone has different tastes. Doesn't mean one style should be omitted from this thread because someone else doesn't like it.
 
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Flaar 26 - Attila Déry and Nándor Fa

My personal WOW!!!! factor this year at Dusseldorf boat show goes to a small racer made and designed in Hungary by Attila Déry and Nándor Fa, some photos (some mine) for you to understand why:















The boat as a lifting keel and water ballasts. It is meant for solo or short crew racing but it can also provide good fun with a crew.

They say about it:

Concept
A unique design method resulted in a hull that has extremely low wetted surface, which becomes even smaller but remains symmetrical when the boat heels. The boat itself is still wide enough to give the needed righting moment against the huge sails.

Standard equipment:
carbon mast with two spreaders, carbon boom and central bowsprit, carbon fin of 30 kg and lead bulb of 440 kg (liftable), 2 carbon rudders, 4 berths.

waterballast - transfer by gravity and/or electric pump
magnetic valves
reversible winches
backstay high gear-ratio - tensioning can be done by hand or by winching.

Specifications
Length LOA: 8.0 m
Waterline length LWL: 7.95 m
Max beam B: 2.82 m
Displacement DSPL: 900 kg
Keel: 470 kg
Draft: 2.0 m
Main: 32 m2
Jib: 20 m2
Genakker: 85/115 m2
Mast length: 12.0 m
Crew max: 6
Crew racing: 1/3


Of course the hull is carbon:). We are going to heard more about Attila Déry and Nándor Fa. The first is a very young and talented NA the former an old Vendee Globe racer. The combined experience has allowed for some very interesting boats that I will post later, among them a new Open'60 for the next Vendee globe, already designed and on the building stage.

 
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Spirit of Hungry, new Open 60 (IMOCA).

That's the boat designed by Attila Déry and Nándor Fa for the next vendee globe. It seems not clear if Nándor intends to sail it...if so that is a shame, he is quite old and should be coaching new talents that could sail the boat at 100%.





The hull seems quite conventional for an Imoca boat even if on the heavy side, with lots of ballast. He says the boat conforms to the new rules in what regards max righting moment but I have some doubts: The boat has the same beam of the winner of last edition but more 700kg of ballast. It is also 1100kg heavier.

The boat

I don't know also if it has already the new standardized mast and keel but it seems they have allowed him to carry on.

IMOCA General Assembly in Paris

Interesting anyway and one boat to follow. I don't think it will be competitive but than I might be wrong. We will see it on the race track;)

An interview with Nándor Fa about the boat and his conformity with the IMOCA rules:

Spirit of Hungary ocean sailing project ? Technical details by IMOCA rules
 
#6,099 · (Edited)
Crazy stuff: You really don't need a big boat to coastal cruise.

Well, that's solo sailing:p...We have already talked here a lot about that Mini racer that has a bath tube boat, but this one makes the Mini looks giant. It has a bathtube bow too...but contrary to the mini it is the size of a true bath tube.



The truth is that thing can sail. It even has two retractable daggerboards to go "better" upwind:D
 
#6,100 · (Edited)
Mini J class and "La copa"

Since we are talking about mini sailboats and crazy stuff let me tell you about La Copa:

I think everybody have seen an know those little funny boats that look like a miniature Americas's cup boat , just for a single sailor and that are a ISAF class, the one for handicapped sailors? But maybe you don't know that each year some of the best French sailors race on them in a race called "La Copa" that takes place in Trinité-sur-Mer at almost Christmas time.

Kind of funny to see sailors used to sail solo 60ft big multihulls, 40 class racers and Figaros and other classes racing hard on those little boats and I say hard because even if they take it in good fun, none of those guys like to lose;)

This year they joined among others Alain Gautier, Marc Guillemot, Thomas Ruyant, Erwan le Roux, Jeremie Beyou, Corentin Horeau, Morgan Lagraviere and Jean-Pierre Nicol.

Look at them:D:



The race was won by a less known sailor, from the J80 series, Quentin Delapierre.

Racing in little boats seems to be fun since their popularity is on the raise and not only among handicapped sailors. Here you have a Mini 12er designed by judel & vrolijk, great for match racing:D:



Mini 12er from Andreas Lindlahr on Vimeo.
 
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Comet 37



Sorry, what I can find is very bad. They had models on the stand and I saw them. The 37 has the same rounded lines and inverted bows of the bigger boat but it is impossible to make a 37 ft cruising cat that looks good. They always look too high for the length with this size, at least for my taste.

I like the wheels position, not behind the cabin, like on most, but on the side of the boat with a good view forward. It seems that it will have (like the big one) two versions, one more sportive with daggerboards the other with fixed keels. with the one with Daggerboards the 37 has a draft of 2.24m and that is a lot, so probably will sail well upwind.

There are not many cruising cats of this size but comparing with a famous and good one, the Mahe 36 evolution from Fontaine Pajot, we can see that even on the fixed keel version the Comet has more draft (1.3 to 1.1m) is bigger but lighter (4.5T to 5.0T) and also narrower 5.65 to 5.90m. The Comet has more sail (78 m2 to 70m2). The Mahe is a great cat and a fast one. The comet 37 should be faster.

To compare with the main cat market and looking at the Lagoon 380, that is only 25cm bigger, the difference in performance should be huge since the Lagoon weights 7.3T against the 4.5T from Comet that has 1m2 more of upwind sail area.

Like the monohulls, the Comet 37 will be a performance cat, specially on the version with movable daggerboards.

This is what I could find... not much and that's why I had not posted about it:





COMET 37 CAT - technical specifications:
Length of hull: 11.30 m
LOA: 11.30 m
BOA: 5.65 m
Forward freeboard: 1.56 m
Light Displacement: 4.5 t
Full Loaded displacement: 6.5 t
Draught (board down): 2.24 m
Draught (board up): 0.95 m
Draught (fixed keel): 1.33 m
Total height/DwL: 16.94 m
Mast height: 14.42 m
Sail Area - Main: 45 m²
- Genoa: 33 m²
- Code 0: 44 m²
- Gennaker: 53 m²
- Spi assy: 80 m²
Diesel Engines: 2x20 Hp
Fresh water tanks: 2x150 L
Gas oil Tanks: 2x80 L
 
#6,108 ·
The "new" Bavaria 51

Not entirely new since it is a MkII regarding the older model the 50. The Hull is Farr designed and the previous boat featured already a very nice two rudder set up a very balanced hull and a nice displacement for a mass market 50ft: 14.1T

The beam (4.67m) is about the same as the one from the Jeanneau 509, less tham the Hanse 505 (4.75m) the Dufour 500 (4.80) or Sense 50 (4.86m). If we do not consider the Hunter 50, an older design (4.47m), the Bavaria, like the Jeanneau have the more "classsic" type of hulls, while all the others have opted by hulls more based on solo racers, with more beam and the beam more pulled back.

Those characteristics gives them much bigger transoms and cockpits as well as a sailing with less heel as well as slightly easy and comfortable downwind and beam reach performance but a slightly worse upwind and light wind performance, generally speaking. We would have to see boat by boat or even test them at the same time on the water because there are more factors that count to upwind performance like the type of frontal sail, running rig design, type of mast and back stay tensioner, sail area /displacement among others.

Anyway the difference should not be that big among them in what sail performance regards.

A nice boat, certainly nicer than the MKI with a much nicer cabin design and interior. The hull was already a good one as we can see on the last Video regarding the previous boat, the 50.

The New 51:





A sail test with the MKI, the 50:



The Bavaria 50 is by far the less expensive 50ft in Europe and probably also on the US (Standard boat delivered for $394,707). A lot of boat for the money (in what regards sailing potential and cruising amenities/interior space) and that's what defines a good mass market boat;)
 
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Re: Sailjet 40

Hey guys,

After seeing this video, made by my swedish fellas at Hamnen.se, all Bavarias in the world just seem a bit dull... :D

https://hamnenplay.solidtango.com/video/130905-sailjet-40

Best regards,
Mr W
Now I understand why they designed the hull that way on the new Hunter 40...they just forget to put the big engine in:D

That seems to have a good performance downwind and a weak one upwind. I will stay with a same sized Bavaria (if I could not have nothing faster;)). Even much more heavier the Bavaria will be faster sailing (except downwind) and I just don't have the money for the Gasoline. Fact is the I am always looking for the more efficient RPM to have the better performance wasting less.

But that is just me and I sail thousands of miles for season. That super Mac can be the right answer for someone that just sails at weekends, or likes to motor a lot and have the money for it (a tank with 500L says it all).

I fully agree that if you motor, the faster the better (if money is not a problem) and faster than that on a "sailboat" is hard to do. Good looking too:



Sailjet

Thanks for posting:), certainly an interesting boat in its way.

Regards

Paulo
 
#6,112 · (Edited)
Mojito 888



Yes, that looks perfect and I can see the effect that panoramic view will have on the impression of interior space. Just great, I agree:



and since we talk about Malango, a video with a 1045 making a delivery trip in last November with winds from 20 to 40K. They say the boat was always controllable, the never put the spy up and even so the average speed was between 8 and 12 K surfing 14/16 with a point at 16.9K. 160.75 Nm in 19h00, at an average speed of 8.46K. Not bad for a 34ft boat not racing with sailors that didn't have experience with that boat on strong winds.



Regards

Paulo
 
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#6,129 ·
Jung:
No worries. I'll watch the thread but I'll keep my comments on the boats to myself.
I appreciate your kind concern.

Paulo doesn't like rude but he is the master of snide and smarm.
I don't care for his myopic view of the world of yachts and yachting and his constant ignorant and stereotypical comments about the "US taste" in boats.
His view that he makes the rules for this public forum are bizarre.

But I do like to look at the various boats he posts. I give him credit for keeping the thread going with interesting boats that for the most part are out of my world. If I didn't see many of the boats here I most probably would never see them. Can't have that.

But, Paulo and I are never going to get along. I'll take responsability for that.
 
#6,135 · (Edited)
Myopic vews

...
Paulo doesn't like rude but he is the master of snide and smarm.
I don't care for his myopic view of the world of yachts and yachting and his constant ignorant and stereotypical comments about the "US taste" in boats....
As usually unfounded and rude comments. That's what I was talking about: Who does not take the same view as you have on NA has a myopic view even if your view is one that has nothing of contemporary or as you have yourself stated, not cutting edge.

You know Bob, being polite has to do also with not expressing in words what we really think about someone else if that thought can be rude or disagreeable but as you insist in calling myopic to my view on Naval Yacht Architecture, for once I will be as rude as you and I will say that from my perspective your's is just outdated and not just by a small margin.

Of course I am not saying it is, just my opinion about it, like yours regarding mine: Myopic.

I would say that a myopic view should not attract such a number of good contributors to this thread or so many followers...but then maybe they are all myopic too, who knows;)

I wish you the best for your thread that I will follow with interest.

Regard

Paulo
 
#6,134 ·


News of the mare (IMOCA) refit: They put a lot more volume in the bow and reduced the total weight by 400kg. With modifications on the water ballast they want to save some more 200kgs...
I am happy to see that they are trying to take the most of an older boat and I hope they can make it competitive face to the the last generation of racers even if I have doubts that is totally possible. We will see about that on the Barcelona world race and I wish the best for Riechers that is a great sailor and has a large future ahead. I have been following Riechers since the mini and always been impressed with his performance.

I still think that Riechers deserved a better boat and I am amazed he cannot find in Germany sponsorship that allows him that. Maybe if he can pull some good results with this old boat and with that he can find the money for a brand new one for the next Vendee. I really hope that;)

Regards

Paulo
 
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