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08-26-2010 02:13 PM
Cruisingdad Oh yeah, you got one fast boat. PHRF is too generous. If you have a slick clean bottom, you can easily do over hull speed. I did 8.5-9.5 coming across the gulf. If you like racing, she will put some trophies out there for you after correction. Read your blog, so thought you might want to know.

08-26-2010 02:06 PM
Originally Posted by dhays View Post
Hey Brian, as a new owner of a 2005 Cat 400, what things in the recent boats concern you? In other words, what should I be keeping an eye on?
Nothing on your boat. They have done a good job on it.

Some specific issues to keep a watchful eye on (that I do not believe reflect negatively on catalina) are: THe steering cables need a watchful eye. Also keep an eye on the sheaves above the liner in the master SR. Remember that unless you are after HN#~307, your boat probably draws 5'10, not 5'4. THe shower sump ius a bad design in the master head. THe pumps do n ot do well with foreign objects... especially hair and there are no strainers. We fixed this by putting some screen (window screen... very cheap you can buy at Walmart) over the cover to screen out hair. Keep an eye on the portlights in teh cabin top. You are approaching or at the time of pulling htem and rebedding. I don't know why Catalina doesn't just use mechanical fastners versus the glue... but that is another story. I used Dow Corning 795. It is not a hard job... but takes half a day per. And it takes seven days to cure so no sailing for a while and no moisture for about 24 hours after application. Incidentally, Catalina is not the only builder that uses those types of portlights (glued in only)... I just think they would be better and easier to repair of they were mechanically fastened.

So, on yoru boat, nothing is really wrong. THese are the boat specific issues I can think of. EVERY BOAT HAS THEM... these are just our specific headaches.

My frustration with Catalina is on many of the newer models (and a tad bit of ours, though ours and the 42 still hold to the older method). They simply are not using all of teh available space made to them. Those shelves are about worthless and NONE of them hardly have and fiddle boards. Also, they could have made massive space available under the liner if they only spent a few more bucks and cut it out and finished it (like what we have just port of the galley). As a cruiser and live aboard, we stick a bunch of junk low (read bilge). You should know that your boat, should you pull the floor board, just port of the waterheater, has a nice access under the liner. I actually ended up putting two-4-D batteries there. Also, if you pull the forward mattress, there is a very large area that has been fairly well finished and could easily take something like an extra diesel tank (which our boats really need for any long distance cruising).

Anyways, going back to Catalina, I wish they would just seperate themselves a bit more and put in more cabinetry and access to more available space. Some of the equipment (shower sump runs and wire runs) could be made a bit easier too... but they aer doable, just not pleasant. I think the 400 (and I have nothing to sell) is teh best boat Catalina makes, though I would not mind getting my hands on the 445. But if I was going to drop an easy $350k-$400k in a boat, it would be hard to do it without really looking at other boat manufacturers that really made a top notch product and would be comparably priced, if not less on the used market.

So ther eyou go! You have a great boat! I would buy mine again in that price range. Outside of that price range, I would (and may) buy a Nordhavn... so not even a sailboat at all.


PS Was taht you that called me a while back?

PSS Catalina is not doing anything that Bene and the rest seem to have done... I just wish they would charge another 5% and put it into their boats.
08-26-2010 01:22 PM
Originally Posted by Cruisingdad View Post
DO be warned that since this post was done many years ago, that Catalina has done some things that I am not particulary fond of either. Not sure it would push me away from them to a Bene, but would make me give them another look.
Hey Brian, as a new owner of a 2005 Cat 400, what things in the recent boats concern you? In other words, what should I be keeping an eye on?
08-26-2010 10:50 AM
Originally Posted by Jeff_H View Post

I was replying to Post #57 and #65 and not to you post.

Ahhh... thanks for clarifying.

08-26-2010 10:15 AM
blt2ski I will not say this part of the particle board is correct, BUT, the outer layer of teak is not a full layer cut from the log as in the past, The inner plys are cut from a log and glued accordingly. The outer layer is a for lack of better term a particle base. BUT, it is all teak that has been put together to get the current horizontal look and feel that GB uses in there lines. To me it has a bit of a plasticized wood look. IIRC it is a combo teak and epoxy to make sure it will last vs partical style boards most of us are used to for shelving, behind some interior products etc.

08-26-2010 10:01 AM
Jeff_H Brian,

I was replying to Post #57 and #65 and not to you post.

08-26-2010 09:56 AM
Cruisingdad Hey Jeff,

Not sure if that post was directed at me, but I dont think I have said taht Benes had part board. Maybe I did? Can't remember now. If I said it then I saw it, but I honestly cannot remember. I do remember the cabinetry being very cheaply done and veneer peeling off. What I meant above was that Jeaun and Benes seem to me to pretty much share teh same building standards so that if one saw X in a Bene, you could probably expect X in a Jeanneau.

DO be warned that since this post was done many years ago, that Catalina has done some things that I am not particulary fond of either. Not sure it would push me away from them to a Bene, but would make me give them another look. But teh Bene I saw back then was poorly done, IMHO. THis is my opinion only. I will also say that in general, Bene makes a fine boat. Sometimes I wonder if teh Bene versus Catalina argument should be phrased more like, "Do you like Chevy's or Fords?"

08-26-2010 08:54 AM
Jeff_H With all due respect, I am somewhat skeptical about the post stating that Beneteaus have particle board in thier construction.

Not all that long ago I read a article that described Beneteau as the largest user of marine grade plywood in the world, and because of that, how Beneteau was able to influence veneers, plys, and laminating practices for the products they bought and that other boat builders were able to purchase as well.

The article talked about the Beneteau chosing inner plys which gave them specific weight and strength advantages. While it is possible that Beneteau uses particle board on their charter fleet spec'd boats, I would be skeptical of that. Given that Beneteau went though the process of developing lighter weight plywood that the article suggested was being used across the Beneteau line, I cannot imagine them then turning around and using particle board, which is generally significantly heavier than plywood.

That said, while I persoinally generally am not a fan of 'particle board' type produces, we are now seeing OSB concrete formwork and OSB subflooring which has better moisture resistance than the plywoods and are using better moisture glues and internal sealants than were typically used for this purpose in the past.

08-26-2010 07:36 AM
Cruisingdad I suspect Jeneau too, but do not remember now. I do not think Hunter does. And all this may also depend on the models. I honestly am not fully educated in all the (MANY) models of Benes.

08-25-2010 11:07 PM
cupper3 Reading through this thread I actually learned something... lead vs iron keels and the big one for me, is that I can't believe that any manufacturer would actually put press wood cabinetry into a sail boat!

That is horrible... something that deteriorates with the slightest bit of moisture into a marine environment!!!

Unbelievable. Other than Bennies, who else does this? Does Jeanneau also?
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